[cinntaile]

I totally understood that you tried to define valuable in such a way to exclude cryptocurrency mining, as you can see below however it's not easy to create a definition like that. It also begs the question why that arbitrary definition of valuable is more correct than another arbitrary definition that excludes something else instead...

> valuable, i.e. relays no additional useful information about the world (e.g. the boiling point of some new liquid or something)

Theoretical mathematicians don't provide anything useful according to your definition.

[jrm4]

Again, we're looking for a good definition for explaining it to laypeople, and I don't find it that difficult. "Pulling a slot machine" or the one from the "solving Sudokus" both work pretty well.

The theoretical mathematician definition isn't very good either because I think enough people get that the novelty has some kind of inherent value that doing something repetitive like the above does not?