[kaczordon]

The suspension on the model 3 and Y is definitely not luxury. Nor is the interior build quality. I own a model Y and there’s plenty of creaks and noises in it that other car models don’t have. Also the highway FSD is still ridiculously bad with it’s phantom braking where at 70MPH your car will just slam on the brakes. And highway driving is the easy version that most other manufacturers have now too.

And now it looks like Cruise and Waymo have full self driving in San Francisco which looks amazing. There’s hour long videos of it navigating perfectly and smoothly in a jam packed city. Nothing like the Tesla videos which show it almost slamming into bikes/curbs or just freaking out and stopping in the middle of an intersection.

Has great acceleration though and charging at home is great or on the road with superchargers. But Teslas edge is not as wide anymore.

[abc_lisper]

If phantom braking is reproducible, ie it happens at the same place and time(because sun angle) you should report it to Tesla. Or post a YouTube and link on Twitter. In 15k miles of mostly autopilot, I have had phantom brake happen once or twice. I’m in the Bay Area. It happened when it couldn’t tell wether the shadow of over cross bridge from a physical object. What is your experience?

[ohgodplsno]

>It happened when it couldn’t tell wether the shadow of over cross bridge from a physical object.

Who could have predicted that just relying just on cameras was not a good solution ? Definitely not the hundreds of researchers that told Musk that a LIDAR was necessary.

[abc_lisper]

Idk why people preach this a gospel. There are billions of living things, some of which ( peregrine falcon, cheetah etc)do high way speeds and do fine relying on optics. The only animals that rely on sonar are those that live in the dark. There are insects with pea brains which rely on vision. I’m not saying it is proof that only vision works, but to argue against it requires more than platitudes.

[kaczordon]

They have two eyes close together that do tracking of depth. Plus they have ears and touch, multiple types of sensor synthesis that the Tesla doesn’t even come close to having with a plain old video camera.

[abc_lisper]

Tesla cars do depth tracking with cameras. How else does it know to slow down when the car infront of it stops?

[ohgodplsno]

Tesla does an extremely dumb and basic depth estimation from two cameras. It still lacks many senses that are critical to movement, and has software that about matches the abilities of a small bird