[brohoolio]

Starting salaries for many districts for jobs that require a masters is pathetic.

Many suburban schools pay decent, but often urban centers pay poorly.

I know one person who was offered under $30k for teaching young special Ed folks. This is someone who has a masters and extra certs on tops of that.

Your argument about physics teachers being more sought after is interesting but misses the point. As a society we want our children to have the best outcomes, providing them with the best education at early ages provides that.

To have the best education you want to pay well and attract the best candidates. Not have those teachers splitting their time with Uber so they can afford rent.

There was a study that showed the value of great kindergarten teachers and it’s over $300k a year.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2010/07/28/128819707/the-...

[pclmulqdq]

Nobody is ever paid for the value that they create. Software engineers are estimated to be worth several million dollars per year in value.

Also, the average kindergarten teacher probably generates a lot less than $300k per year.

[MarcScott]

Do software engineers just spontaneously come into existence? Or do they begin their education with kindergarten teachers, and progress though to the professors that teach them at college?

If a software engineer is contributing millions of dollars in value each year, they are doing it on the backs of the giants that taught and coached them to get to where they are today.

[pclmulqdq]

If you want to follow the value chain all the way down, why not attribute the value of that software engineer to the professors who taught those kindergarten teachers to be good teachers? Or the kindergarten teachers who taught those professors?

The truth of where the value to society comes from is somewhere between the "shoulders of giants" myth (that everything is obvious in light of what came before, and nobody really creates any value) and the "lone genius" myth (that value is created solely by bright individuals).

Some component of the value that we attribute to a person likely comes from their teachers, but it may be 0 (or negative - lots of teachers demoralize their students too). However, a significant portion comes from them.

[8note]

The shoulders of giants and the lone genious myths are the same myth. The giants in question are the lone genii

Some ultrabight people did the hard work, and you're just using their stuff. There's no spectrum between 1 and 1

[pclmulqdq]

A lot of the people who espouse the "shoulders of giants" myth use it to discredit the idea of the "lone genius" (without thinking about who the giants are). They believe that the giants represent societal knowledge, not individuals who made great contributions.

[colinmhayes]

You totally missed the point though. The value you create has almost nothing to do with how much you’re paid. That’s just the most you could possibly be paid. You’re paid the amount your employer thinks it would cost to replace you.

[8note]

And you're arguing that that's a good thing?

[colinmhayes]

I think markets are generally good, yes. If someone wants to do your job for cheaper and they’re just as good they should get the job. Either way, I don’t think it makes sense to talk about things like this as good or bad, they just are the way the are unless you’re talking about a complete revolution.