I used the ticket as a cheap way to travel from Austria to Poland via Germany this summer. Overall the experience was great. Using the DB app you just apply the "Regional trains only" setting and it will plan you an itinerary, telling you what stops to switch trains and what platform number to go to.
Ours was 5 trains over the course of 10 hours (Munich to Berlin). Every train was on time. Surprisingly every train was a different model. Most resembled US light rail trains. The Munich train was insanely packed even though we arrived 15 minutes early. The rest we managed to find seats. The vibration and noise were almost non-existent.
I was in Germany earlier this month, and made good use of the ticket going around quite a bit of Germany.
The best part about it as a frugal traveller is not having to think about ticket prices (a local metro ride could cost something like 2 EUR) and buying them. It's quite liberating, and I'd pay (the rumoured) 69 EUR if they brought it back again next year.
Yes, and another aspect of this was it being valid all across Germany - instead of scouring the maps and price lists of various regional providers (for whose fractured approach to public transport I have utter disdain and could insert many expletives here), you could just pay, travel, and forget
To me it's very frustrating that (as it looks like) the ticket will run out this month.
It was one of the best ideas the German government has had in years. This month I've used the ticket a ton, both in rural areas and cities.
It felt like an incredible improvement in the quality of life. It also reduced car traffic by IIRC 2%. While that sounds like a small number, given that the goal is for Europe to go carbon neutral by 2050, this is an instant win. We only need to pass a law to make the subsidies permanent.
I'd even say that, at an annual €10 billion, it's a pretty good deal for the state.
The problem is that not a single one of those 10 billions buys neither a single additional vehicle-kilometre being operated [1], not a single metre of additional infrastructure, nor deals in any way with the impending maintenance backlog on the national railway network.
[1] Actually right now often the difficulty is even actually operating the currently scheduled timetable due to a lack of staff.
What they buy is a larger user base, especially of people with enough capital that they're able to make the often financially sensible decision to buy a car instead, leading to a much higher motivation to finally fix the things you mention.
So far it seems that the biggest passenger growth happened within the leisure traffic segment, and indeed it was already known from previous studies (including some smaller scale recent-ish experiments in Germany) that commuting traffic in particular is more sensitive to reliability and journey time and not that extremely price sensitive.
I'd think that commuting is simultaneously the biggest driver behind the decision to purchase a car or not, so all in all that leaves me rather sceptic on whether you'd really get people to abandon their cars en masse that way.
I'm also sceptical on the political willingness – silently and behind the scenes, some states (Hessen, I'm looking at you) have actually right now reduced their public transport budgets in order to make up Corona-induced budget holes. So the "true national through-ticketing for all public transport"-aspect of the 9 €-Ticket was nice, but beyond that I'd personally still rather see any money that can be scrounged together beyond that to be spent on service and infrastructure improvements. (And what with the staff shortages and energy price increases and possibly a recession on top we might even have to worry about even maintaining current service levels…)
But why tax everyone to subsidise the trains for the ones that use them? Even more so for tourists that barely pay taxes here and would have paid the full price anyway.
With the normal ticket prices people pay for that they use, which sounds more fair to me.
That is the basic idea of taxes: to redistribute money. The problem was a bit different though: people that need trains (like disabled people) were pushed out of trains and trams by tourists with bikes. I still really enjoyed not having to care about tickets as well.
Yeah, the tax could be targeted, e.g. tax on gasoline, or on cars, with ICE cars needing to pay more (even though they're better, public transport is still the better way to prevent the climate catastrophe), but hey, the idea of any tax is probably horrifying tp the libertarians on HN...
Less sarcastically - this initiative was launched to reduce the fuel usage of German citizens because fuel prices are exploding and reserves are running low. Trains are operated electrically and can use alternate energy sources.
So yes - people were using the train more: Either as an alternative to their personal vehicle (for commuting, visiting friends, going shopping), or as an alternative to taking a plane (going on a holiday, even within Germany).
If really this had been launched to "reduce the fuel usage of German citizens", they wouldn't have also reduced fuel taxes at the same time.
This simply came about because the government had to be seen doing something about the rising energy prices – the Liberals proposed temporarily lowering the gas taxes to score popularity points, but because they're in a coalition government with the Green party, the latter wanted something with a more ecological veneer, so after some horse-trading public transport users got thrown a bone, too.
> If really this had been launched to "reduce the fuel usage of German citizens", they wouldn't have also reduced fuel taxes at the same time.
Not owning a car, it is my rough understanding that lowering the fuel tax just led to fuel distributors and gas stations keeping their prices the same to increase their profits.
So reducing the fuel tax was practically speaking a measure to subsidize oil companies, not humans, without realistically aiming to impact fuel usage.
GP got the reasoning a bit wrong, it's to lower the impact of the increased energy prices. As far as I'm aware the 9€-Ticket has had a decent lowering impact on measured inflation due to reduced transport costs.
> By making it cheaper people will consume it more
Yep!
> isn't this counter productive?
Nope!
Increasing the use of the already existing infrastructure (rails & train stations) is not that much more additionally expensive.
While encouraging the use of trains you're also discouraging the use of cars - effectively paying people to not use their car seems pretty sensible in a time in which we really want people to stop using cars.
For additional leisure trips that people wouldn't have made otherwise, it still stimulates economic activity and at the very least general happiness and contentment, which is important anyway, but especially so in times that are likely to become harder in the next few months.
Ours was 5 trains over the course of 10 hours (Munich to Berlin). Every train was on time. Surprisingly every train was a different model. Most resembled US light rail trains. The Munich train was insanely packed even though we arrived 15 minutes early. The rest we managed to find seats. The vibration and noise were almost non-existent.
Would recommend.