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by caractacus 1400 days ago
Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing.

Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online...

"Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy.

Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial.

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> The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online...

The accused can also have their lives raked through and ruined simply for being accused. There is something to gain (e.g. financial and moral support, feeling as though one were on the "right" side of history, etc.) from being a professional victim, and doubly so on social media. Whether that applies here remains to be seen.

> "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy.

Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings

Waiting for data and considering the potential motivations involved are empathetic actions. It may be simplistic to make such claims, but there is no lack of empathy to consider that these situations can occur and have occurred to other people and that they might be applicable here. At the end of the day, no one here was present when the alleged events occurred. We're all relying on news reports and hearsay.

> Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial.

Any evidence obtained in a criminal trial can be used in a civil trial with a lower burden of proof, even if one is acquitted in the former. Additionally, prosecutors have issued charges on exaggerated, or even fraudulent evidence before. The Innocence Project is a testament the consequences of zealousness and lack of impartiality that occurs in courts across the country.

In what is likely a to be a he said/she said scenario, one should wait to examine how damning the evidence and testimony actually is so as not to come to a premature conclusion.

Totally different situation then
Was she? She said he grabbed her by the throat. What’s that mean? He actually did? Did it leave a mark? I mean, if it was strong enough to choke her?

Did his hand brush her throat?

What was her immediate description of what happened to the very first person she told?

These other acts you describe, were they accusations or facts?

You are literally engaging in trial by social media asserting claims as fact when they are accusations.

“They don’t do that unless they have strong evidence” - spoken like someone who has only ever read about the criminal justice system. The news has been filled with stories of unjust actions the entire length of Covid.

You don’t understand how things work. If you can get a criminal charge to stick, then you can threaten to settle out of court for money (with the woman) to avoid her bringing a civil trial.

Is she lying? I have no idea, but your argument is as bad as “that black man wouldn’t be charged by the police for raping that white woman if he didn’t do it. The white woman wouldn’t lie, it must be so scary for her to come forward”. Literally this except replace black with “rich”, the new boogie-man.

Dude should have an internal recorder in his car, like an Uber driver. It would either save him from false accusations or himself.

It wasn’t just one woman who came forward… Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, but at this point it doesn’t look great.

I hope the truth is uncovered in court and we find justice.

The police are recommending he is changed with rape.

That is - at the very least - a credible accusation.