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by kenjackson 1406 days ago
I think almost all issues with any controversy seem to have identity at the crux. This is why there is virtually no principled consistency. That's why you have Defund the Police and then Defund the FBI. Or "athletes get paid too much" and "it's a free market". Or "go back where you came from" and "go back where you came from". Or "my body my choice" and "my body my choice".

If I woke up tomorrow I think the supporters of each of these could just about flip and they'd be no worse off from a principled perspective. They just need to make sure those others in their identity group are on the same page.
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wbsss4412 1406 days ago
How is identity at the crux of “defund the FBI”?

“Identity politics” are generally considered to be issues related to things like race, gender, social class, etc

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kenjackson 1406 days ago
Yes, view identity as the group of people you identify with. It's a cross section of race/gender/social class/political party/geography/etc... "Defund the FBI" is just a reaction of a specific identity group -- largely the same group that hated people saying Defund the Police, fought for Blue Lives Matter, etc...
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wbsss4412 1406 days ago
You’re confusing partisanship with identity.

I realize it’s seemingly a small difference or amounts to the same thing, but not making the distinction really muddies the conversation.

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kenjackson 1406 days ago
I view them as different in that this is about your personal identity. An example, is if a Republican Governor commits a crime -- should I care? Not really, it doesn't change the party platform. Maybe a minor impact associated with their chance at re-election. But when your identity is caught up with party, now you start to defend the governer purely because of their party. It's not simply a party affiliation, but your identity.

This is much larger and intractable than partisanship.

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wbsss4412 1406 days ago
I realize that, but it’s a redefinition that makes it very challenging for people engaging in fleeting internet conversations to follow the thread.

Identity politics and partisanship have fairly well defined meanings within political discourse, and so when you say “identity is the problem” the assumption for many people is that you’re talking about issues like BLM, trans issues, etc.

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