[kazga]

>Using steroids and then to promote your programs that act like it's possible to achieve them without is dangerous.

Which one of the linked resources is doing that? The deception part, I mean.

[mister_mister]

Obviously since some of them dance around the topic, and won't say outright say it. We just have the occasional hiccups during interviews where they give it away.

naturals shouldn't take advice from people that juiced up. The amount of volume they can do bizarre, and way more then naturals can do. The wear and tear on the ligaments, joints and spine is dangerous.

It's even dangerous for them, at least one of them got very badly hurt.