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by Eji1700 1397 days ago
Yeah anyone claiming they understand what these things do, and how they do it, and then expecting them to replace digital writing/film is just...not going to happen. Not in 10 years at least. We're not even close.

Every time people start freaking out about the AI apocalypse, i tend to point out that to my knowledge, there's no learning style AI that's beaten a mario game, especially in a real "human" style (play through each level and learn them). I've seen an AI that can beat mario 1 this way, but it doesn't "learn", it just "brute forces" by trying random inputs, and then save state reloading if it gets a bad output (dies/gets stuck), and then does thousands of those games in parallel. And this ONLY works with mario 1 in part because "go right" is ALWAYS correct. Take any further mario game, where more vertical/backwards exploration is a thing, and its not even possible (mario 3 for example).

It would be trivial of course to just program it to beat every game and get everything, by literally programming the correct inputs (literally a tas) but a task that is expected to be doable by a young human child is, again to my minimal knowledge of amateur research, not even remotely within the realm of possible for modern AI.

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Is it far-fetched to think that AI animating comic books / manga into cartoons is that far away?
Yes. I don't think we'll even have AI "Drawing" comic books in 10 years, at least not the way most people here are thinking of it.

As others have pointed out this might become a tool in the toolkit that's kinda like clipart++ meets photoshop, and it will have uses there, but I very much doubt it's going to get any use in those mediums.

Comics/mangas are generally either A. pretty damn easy to draw (in the scheme of stuff that's out there), so i'm not sure fiddling with an AI to get the output you want/training a team to work with the AI's initial output is worth it or B. horrifically hard to draw/stylized. Things like berserk or the currently relevant sandman are probably not something you can get an AI to reliably output.

My first thought with all of this art is it's almost always surreal, and reminds me of custom MTG card art, so while I could see it working better there, I'm still very uncertain this is suddenly going to be THE TECH to take over.

And that's even before my jaded view that things like this ALWAYS have caveats that they don't tell everyone right away. They haven't open sourced the code claiming vague worries about the implications, and hell maybe they really have made the golden goose and are right to worry, but my experience having studied AI casually over the years is more often than not it's marketing bullshit to keep the funds coming in and stop everyone from pointing out how HYPER specific it is and what a fucking phenomenal pain in the ass it must be to get it to work at all.

I'm extra annoyed by this particular team because I followed their exploits in Dota 2 very closely (having been a long time fan of the game), and while you can find all sorts of overhyped headlines about the "amazing" feats it performed, put under a much more critical light with a better understanding of what exactly happened (and the the stuff that wasn't mass reported like players figuring out all sorts of ways to abuse it), it's much less impressive. Don't get me wrong, still amazing tech, but it rubs me the wrong way how they damn well knew they were generating hype that didn't reflect reality.