[immigrantheart]

I live in the USA now and filter out most politics from social media. Being an immigrant from a 3rd world country, I lean more conservative so I also don’t care about stuffs you mentioned above

Like, when I browse Reddit popular I automatically don’t read whitepeopletwitter, antiwork, murderedbyaoc, and the like.

I still stay here for the money though. I foresee one day exiting US and letting go of my GC if it becomes too much of a hassle to maintain and go back and build my home country. Currently am worried about the state of public education in the US. Too much wokeness for my taste. Ah maybe I have to go back sooner if I want to raise a child.

Private school in my home country does much more better job than public US education.

[Kaze404]

Out of curiosity, why does being an immigrant make you lean towards conservatism? You realize one of the biggest conservative talking points in the past 4 years is how immigrants are “stealing” their jobs?

[tmn]

Not the comment author you replied to, but I didn't read it as 'I immigrated, therefore it infers I'm conservative". Rather I read it as they were stating two independent facts about themselves.

On the topic of the 'Talking Point' you're referring to. I don't know anyone who has voiced concern with legal immigration (I live in predominately conservative area). I will agree illegal immigration is a talking point.

[immigrantheart]

Conservatives aren't a monolithic voting bloc, unlike what the media tells you.

There are conservatives who are okay with legal and high skilled/high paid immigration (which I am one). No one is stealing highly paid, trading, fintech, programming jobs, with above $200k/year salary here.

I can confidently say that ALL (100%) of conservatives, are not in favor of illegal immigration, and not in favor of low skilled immigration.

Some other points that conservatives are (some of these are libertarian, but conservatives and libertarian often have similar interests), which are aligned with me:

- Economy matters, bring back local jobs, bring back local manufacturing

- Small government, less government spending, less taxes for useless government spending, less wars, less meddling with other countries problem

- Personal freedom and responsibilities

- Self sufficiency

- No to unrestricted abortion

- No to stimulus checks

- No to constant lockdown

- No to UBI

- No to student loan forgiveness

- We can define what is a woman and what is a man

- No to defund the police

- All Lives Matter, including Asian and White lives

A lot of immigrants actually have the same interests aligned with conservatives, based on the points above.

I think immigrants know firsthand how it feels like to:

- Have incompetent government, corrupt government, corrupt media

- Have freeloaders everywhere taking advantage of the system, we are here to work, to make money, not to support those who don't

- Have violence on the street as a result of police have no teeth

- Asian immigrants, experience bias in not being hired/accepted into school, due to Affirmative Action and Diversity Inclusion practice. Asian immigrants on average, economically, actually less better than Blacks

So we don't want the countries where we immigrate to, to avoid the problems in the first place, to have the problems we want to avoid.

Immigrants also, prefer traditional gender/sex in society. Doesn't mean that woman can't be a plumber, sure they can. We just don't prefer gender fluidity/spectrum to be taught in schools to our children. The reason being, it introduces weakness to the population. Man should be strong, independent (not talking about toxic masculinity), and woman also have very important roles in society. Gender fluidity/spectrum contributes to confusion and undermines the future of the population. That's not to say we don't have trans in our society. We do, and we are okay with that, but they have to play by the rules of the majority. They can't go into man's bahtroom if they are born woman, and vice versa. They can't join woman's sports if they are born man. We are also not okay to make it normalized in school and getting shoved on it by the media.

[Kaze404]

There is way too much to unpack in this comment, so I'll just laser focus on how incredible it is that you somehow managed to rationalize "we are ok with trans people existing" and "they should live by the rules of the majority, not how they want to live" as two non-conflicting statements, when they are so very obviously contradictory. If there is a condition attached to a group of people existing, then you're not really ok with their existance.

[immigrantheart]

How about this. Fences make good neighbors. You stay in your lane, I stay in my lane. We are as humans are different. Our values, our philosophies are different. Attempt to do multiculturalism and diversity will have push back.

In Asia, we don't want LGBTQ ideology to influence our children. The majority decides the rules. That's how in most societies are. I know USA and EU prefers the minority rules (as Taleb said, tyranny of minority), but most in Asia prefers majority rules. We don't prevent LGBTQ people from being employed, we don't kill them. Our understanding of what "oppression" and "offensive" means stricter than western understanding, where everything is offensive and oppressive.

Asia is mostly ethnic nation (like Japan, South Korea, China), not a civic nation. Even in a civic nation such as Indonesia, still prefer the rules of the majority. Harmony of the majority takes precedence compared to individual preference.

Now back to the US. US is mostly a free country, anyone can do anything here (for the most part). Hence personal freedom and individual responsibility:

- We don't want LGBTQ ideology in our children. We consider that our freedom, to teach our kids our ways. We don't want foreign ideology to be taught to our children who still can't think for themselves

- We value human beings who still cannot decide for themselves whether they want to live or die, to be killed by abortion. This is not strictly a religious issue.

After someone is born, then it is up to their families, themselves, to be a good functioning member of the society. If they become criminal, or if they become poor and stupid due to their own life choices, then it is not up to the society to help them with more social support. Personal responsibilities and individual freedom.

I'm saying for the most part because, there is no truly free society in this world. Every society has its boundaries, limits, and that's mostly decided by power struggle.

Hence why we have conservativsm, left ideology, right ideology. It is all power struggle. We don't pretend that you respect me I respect you we live in harmony and sing kumbaya. Because that doesn't exist. We are all different, and at some point the rules decided by "the others" will influence how we live our lives. So yes we are not okay with some rules.

The world is filled with contradiction. It is the way it is. You can use your religion, or lack of one, or humanitarianism, or any other ideology, to push your own agenda in your own little corners. We all do that. Let's stop pretending.

[soueuls]

Yes I agree, I try to filter out as much as possible as well. Stick to the modern notion of "stoicism" -> focus on what you can change/control and avoid worrying about things you have very little control over.

But in my home country, it was becoming too much.

It's now in school, work, TV, movies, anti white rhetoric all the time.

To the point I would not be comfortable schooling my future children there.

So I decided to move on, and find a new place better aligned on my values. It does not need to be perfect, I can work with flaws and learn to embrace it. But I need a minimum of common ground, so far I found it in Asia (I lived long term in China and almost one year in Thailand). I can see myself settling down here and try to be a useful contributing member of society.

[immigrantheart]

I hope you find happiness and what you are looking for! Asia and SEA has its flaws, but the people are amazing and nature are amazing. I hope you can do good for the community in Thailand!

One day I will make the same decision myself.