[throwawaysleep]

Or just honesty.

I frankly don’t want housing the kinds of people who can’t afford houses anywhere near me. I don’t say this publicly, but the council candidate who “protects home values” has my vote.

I agree housing affordability is an important problem. I am not willing to have so much as ruffians in the nearby grocery store to fix it though.

[computerdork]

Just to give you another perspective, it seems like they're not building low-income housing, they're just building denser housing than is normal for the area ("multifamily overlay zones").

As someone who lives in the Bay Area, guessing that if they went ahead and these were actually built, the housing/rental prices of these units would still be ultra high. Yeah, housing is so bad here, they'd probably just to attract young tech workers or people with at least decent jobs.

[hindsightbias]

The SF market alone was 100K >$750K 2Br units ten years ago.

Unless someone supports paving Dolores Park, they’re a NIMBY.

[xref]

Why Dolores park specifically? Or is it all parks should be paved to create new units: Central Park in NY, Shinjuku Gyoen in Tokyo, etc

[hindsightbias]

It triggers all the FAANGr YIYBY tyoes.

[conductr]

Who let that dual income family in?

Income? Yuck. There goes the neighborhood

/s

[kareemsabri]

The "affordable housing" in Atherton would likely be $2.5M townhomes. Dunno what sort of ruffians you think would be buying those.

[throwawaysleep]

I am sure we are relative ruffians to wealthy people. Simply could be the difference between executives and entrepreneurs to whiny employee types like myself.

[quantified]

If the home values drop from 7MM to 6.5MM, it's not exactly let the riffraff in.

[jakeinspace]

What a sad frightened person you must be.

[qwerpy]

As a parent I also prioritize cleanliness and low crime over pretty much anything else. The difference between Marc and I is that I don't pretend to not be a NIMBY. If this causes me to be labeled online as a sad frightened person, so be it.

[computerdork]

Can understand this, as I own a home in the East Bay, but I fight the urge to be a NIMBY, because I've come to realize, it's not good for the area in the long run.

One of the main causes of our homeless problem is our high-housing cost. At least from what I've read, the Bay Area has such a high-level of homelessness because people who normally can afford apartments can't and are forced on to the streets. We have some of the highest housing costs in the world, and if prices keep going up, homelessness and crime will get worse and worse. We need to bring prices down (or at least keep them from going up like crazy as they have been) so that we can support a range of workers, from cooks and teachers to well-educated techies and business people.

Just my two cents.

[jankyxenon]

Seems like a huge leap to go from apartment shopping to sleeping on the sidewalk.

I’m not sure it’s the same population.

[computerdork]

It came as a surprise to me too when I first heard about it, but it kind of makes sense. There are a lot of people living at lower incomes (not necessarily poor, just low), and in the Bay Area, their biggest expense is rent. All it takes is for them to lose their job or incur a big medical expense and they can't afford their apartment. So a lot of people who would normally live in cheaper apartments are eventually forced on to the street.

Yeah, i'm not opposed to high rent costs, but San Francisco is in the top two in the world in cost for renting apartments. This is just insane and it seems better for the city in the long run if this could be brought down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-expensive-cities-worldw...

[wbsss4412]

It’s called not being able to pay rent.

Are a disproportionate number of those people suffering from addiction and or mental health issues? Yes. But make no mistake, the gap between people apartment shopping and people living on the street is frighteningly small in a housing market as expensive as SF.

[rootos]

Or they can move to someplace they can afford?

[paulryanrogers]

Then who will do the lawn care, cook, and serve? Will they have to commute hours everyday to make coffee and clean floors?

It's absurd. Communities are most healthy with a mix of income levels intermingled.

[midoridensha]

>Then who will do the lawn care, cook, and serve? Will they have to commute hours everyday to make coffee and clean floors?

Sure, why not? They can then charge a fortune for these services because of the commute time.

And for restaurants and the like, they can simply charge extremely high prices to eat there, to pay for workers needing to commute so far. And if the wealthy people refuse to pay for that, the restaurants can just go out of business, and the wealthy people can just cook their own food at home.

I don't really see the problem here, except that this wouldn't result in a healthy community, but it seems these wealthy assholes don't actually want healthy communities. So maybe the healthy communities should be elsewhere, and the wealthy NIMBYs can just live in their own enclave and cook their own food and clean their own floors.

[Apocryphon]

By reducing housing affordability, you are generating the exact problems you so fear.

[guelo]

Your children will be worse off for your antiseptic attitude. The world is not a shopping mall.

[Apocryphon]

Their real name must be Poe Slaw.

[trhway]

>I frankly don’t want housing the kinds of people who can’t afford houses anywhere near me.

how near is near? Should they be placed into a ghetto? or taken off the planet?

>I am not willing to have so much as ruffians in the nearby grocery store to fix it though.

To me it sounds like being poor is already a crime according to you.

[femiagbabiaka]

It's a good thing you don't own your neighborhood then I guess.

[throwawaysleep]

I don’t need to own it. I just need my neighbours to agree and elect politicians who agree.

NIMBYism doesn’t require ownership to succeed. Just that the existing population resist.

[tartoran]

There are regular employed people who are poor, prople who only male $100k per year and they don’t fit into your neighboorhood? Why not move out if you don’t like that part of the city evolve? Cities change over time, just accept that.

[femiagbabiaka]

With sparkling rhetoric like “don’t let the ruffians in the neighborhood” you are well on your way, godspeed