[washbrain]

What you are saying is, "convert farmland to housing and highways."

It's an inefficient use of space, it socially isolates us, and it has devastating ecological consequences.

[golemotron]

Suddenly, all non-urban space in the US becomes farmland.

[washbrain]

Show me land on the periphery of an urban center that's large enough to meaningfully expand housing that isn't farmland, rangeland, forestry, or a protected habitat/important ecological preserve.

I'll wait, take your time.

[golemotron]

Yes, legislative capture and over-zealous zoning are real problems.

[washbrain]

So no, you can't find any?

[golemotron]

It's your straw man, not mine. Tell me what you find.

[washbrain]

"There's plenty of space, grow wide."

"That land is in use already."

"Lololol strawman! No u!"

Alright, sure.