[drekipus]

> if those societies have high mobility in real-word achievement. So, not our society right now.

Our society isn't high mobility? Who has a higher mobility?

(* I realise this is the internet but I'm assuming you're talking about one of the five-eyes nations)

[benreesman]

Well, I mean us after the New Deal but before smash-and-grab, “how many gold bars can I carry” politics and economics starting gaining steam in the Reagan administration.

I appreciate that’s like one human lifetime and high economic mobility had barely started to come in for e.g. black people before rich people decided to loot the place, but we were headed in the right direction for many decades before this kleptocracy-in-broad-daylight shit kicked in.

[guelo]

Quick search says we're #27

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

[benreesman]

I wasn't even aware such a metric existed. You've saved me countless frustrating conversations where I am trying to articulate something that's plain as day but difficult to find citations around (why would that be).

And #27 is worse than it sounds, because most people know there are ~200 sovereign states in the word (195 at the moment I believe), and the WEF only has data on 82 of them for this metric (I'm willing to assume that the "no data" ones wouldn't score highly in most cases). So that's "a bit better than halfway up the list", not "clearly competitive with the leaders".

[drekipus]

Says you. I'm at #16. But I'll concede the point.