[dimitrios1]

There's a balance to have. I tried to focus more on tech industry. Tech industry is paying well beyond decent wage. You have to take things in perspective. You are comparing apples to oranges. Again I am not disagreeing with expanding workers rights.

Beyond any of these discussions, I was attempting to make an objective observation: The current status of American corporations value those who will put in more hours, and in general, are less demanding. It's just kind of the facts. Again, we can debate why this is ad nasuem, H1Bs, migrant labor in general, history of labor unions, capitalism, etc etc etc etc. But as it stands today, someone who will tell their boss "yes, I'll get that done", especially after hours or beyond standard expectations will get promoted more often than not. It's just the way it is. It's not a statement of right/wrong.

[lostgame]

>> But as it stands today, someone who will tell their boss "yes, I'll get that done", especially after hours or beyond standard expectations will get promoted more often than not. It's just the way it is.

That is…unfortunately, exactly the opposite of what happens more often than not.

More often than not - promotions are accrued through social credit and personal preference.

You will quite often see the hardest working people get passed by for a promotion for the manager’s friend, etc.

Your ‘objective observation’ is…not accurate.

If this was the way it was - we wouldn’t need laws related to racism, sexism, etc in hiring practices.

I don’t know what kind of idealistic fantasy America you’re imagining up, but in the real one that exists on Earth these are serious problems.

[frostwarrior]

Not everything is corruption and cronyism.

There are cases where the one that gets the promotion it's the one that sells themselves the most, instead of the "overengineer".

Being assertive, going straight to the solution and inspiring security is something that boosts a developer's career a lot.

Some people mistake that being a good professional is saying "yes" to everything and putting endless extra hours behind the code. And often that isn't the case.