[superchroma]

I'm not sure a shitfight between some angry men shouting about how women are too promiscuous, other angry men shouting about how women are too uptight and angry people shouting about how men need to improve in 12 different ways is truth or wisdom.

[businessman0001]

The problem of reading those comments is, everyone defends with their feelings, doesn't necessarily means they are angry or whatever. It's definitely not ideal for a lot of people, including myself. You can be angry at anything, doesn't mean it changes the outcome to your desired intent, infact it can be worse, in case of incels, the more angrier they get the more they get ostracized.

Sure, the most intolerant minority and the most vocal minority pushes the change. This is how the feminist movement started and that gave way to women being liberated. They focused their energies/anger into the right direction.

Promiscuity is something of a completely different topic.

The truth is women don't need men anymore. Men can be dead tomorrow collectively and women will not even notice. And this is the state of affairs we are dealing with. That's why women say they want a "high quality" man. Do what you want with that information, it's certainly not an easy thing to digest for a lot of men, because they themselves would not put themselves in the "high quality" man box.

[tsol]

>The truth is women don't need men anymore. Men can be dead tomorrow collectively and women will not even notice

This is an absolutely insane statement. No, most women have men they love such as fathers, sons, brothers, and even husbands. Not to mention many important jobs are still dominated by men as women aren't interested. For example dangerous and disgusting professions like plumbing, underwater welding, physical laborers, loggers, firefighters, soldiers.

[businessman0001]

I was thinking exactly about this comment, or a variant of this comment.

I do agree, but the thing here is that, we are now in a setting where individualism has been able to replace every single person. In an atomized society everyone is replaceable.

I'll give you an example which is very real, in Japan you can rent a person, say you want affection of a father(because your real father was emotionally absent), and brother etc. You can experience them. Although in the west, it is not done due to many reasons, but it makes sense to have these paid services where a person who is a complete stranger can pretend to be your father or brother.

The rest of the professions are meant for hire anyway.

I think the only relationship which seems to be unconditional love is between mother and sons, because women obviously like their children more.

What I meant by men are not needed, is that men are not needed for protection(the state protects you with Police, and Armed forces), for finance(no need for husband's salary or dad's inheritance dangled like a carrot in front of you) when you can find a job through education, the law protects you legally in many ways, the society now is pro-women than it ever was and that's a good thing.

Men are not explicitly needed by women anymore because the system set up civilization now makes men being implicit supporters and protectors of women. And it's completely good, because they are no longer in the shackles of men wanting to be protected. They can be themselves and choose men they feel like it.

Maybe this is the harsh truth many men don't want to acknowledge or feel uneasy when they look at the facts and figures and these articles blindly say men need to somehow figure out to be not lonely and single. What if I'm a shy person or a depressed person or a lazy person or simply an ugly person? Some attributes are immutable and they become a part of one's personality and outlook and from this point, it makes sense why people recommend therapy to cope with the idea that you need to accept who you but still put out the best parts of you and hopefully those best part guide you to become a more rounded person, even if you don't end up being a well rounded person, you will find yourself surrounded by people who accept you and at least that will make you feel well rounded.

[staticman2]

Sure we don't live in Jane Austin times when a woman needs to marry because she can't inherit property and has limited economic choices.

But on the other hand in the end of Grease when Sandy sings "You better shape up, cause I need a man, and my heart is set on you." I don't think she has finance and protection in mind, exactly.

I think she's looking for happiness when she says she needs a man.

[businessman0001]

Agreed.