[mlyle]

> For children involved in bullying relationships, schools ought to refer these cases to the State.

The legal system is a really blunt tool to deal with things like this, and doesn't have the capacity to investigate problems like this either.

And we're pretty clearly not just talking about "violent" bullies, but often those with behavior that may be just barely on the side of legality. But not all legal behavior is (or should be) tolerated in a school community.

> There must be limits on their authority.

There are. The Fourth Amendment still applies, but courts have chosen a slightly more permissive standard for school administrators than police officers in view of in loco parentis and the needs of the school environment.

[politician]

> There are. The Fourth Amendment still applies, but courts have chosen a slightly more permissive standard for school administrators than police officers in view of in loco parentis and the needs of the school environment.

School officials can be representatives of the State in one moment and in loco parentis in the next. Operating as a chimera is not an appropriate or respectful way to deal with anyone, especially children. It's telling that the principal use case of in loco parentis is schools - maybe it's time for that to end universally as it ended in higher education.

[mlyle]

> It's telling that the principal use case of in loco parentis is schools - maybe it's time for that to end universally as it ended in higher education.

You're not really proposing anything in its stead, though, as far as workable systems of schooling.

Schools owe it to their charges to make it a safe place for students to be and learn: after all, they're legally compelled to be there and most parents do not have other options. I believe understanding the totality of circumstances facing kids, including things that didn't happen at school, to the best of their ability, is necessary to make this work.

I suspect you might have some views that the student should "tough it out" or "solve the problem themselves". Adolescents do not have workable ways to deal with pseudo-anonymous abuse crossing over into environments they can't escape. Even adults would suffer badly under these pressures. Yes, the legal system is an option but it's not very accessible to students and not well-suited to address these kinds of problems.

I'm a teacher at a small idyllic private school. (view don't represent employer's). We have the benefit of a mostly supportive parental community and selective admissions. Today's era for youth is a less violent and more understanding one than when I grew up. Even so, the pressures and abuses from 24/7 engagement with peers through social media are huge. It's not surprising the outcomes overall in our society are trending bad.

[politician]

> You're not really proposing anything in its stead, though, as far as workable systems of schooling.

It's unreasonable to request that I propose a workable alternative in this context.

> I suspect you might have some views that the student should "tough it out" or "solve the problem themselves".

That's not an accurate assumption.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave it there. I hope you have a good week this week.

[mlyle]

> It's unreasonable to request that I propose a workable alternative in this context.

A complaint that one thing is not good without sharing something more workable is troublesome. There's a bunch of other things people have said (students work it out; always involve the police; etc) that I don't think would work.

> I hope you have a good week this week.

Just frantically preparing a classroom here and thankful, that for the most part, these are issues I don't need to deal with.

You too.