[lotsofpulp]

Nepotism is a failure, and working against it is definitely a worthwhile effort. But I have also seen non Indian nephews/nieces get hired into internships because their relative knows someone in the decision making process, etc.

We very openly have universities in the US that favor admitting children and relatives of alumni. Hell, we just had a US President that installed his own kids and son in law in various government capacities, and then pardoned his son in law’s dad.

I guess my comment is to question whether Indians are doing something that different to what non Indians are doing.

It seems like a very gray area. Of course, Indians could be doing it to a shade of gray closer to nepotism than others.

[jquery]

No, what Indians are doing is not unique to them. Americans discriminate against black people, notoriously so. I’m sure the Indians who support these caste systems would merely say it’s meritocracy in action, same as all the whites/asians opposing any governmental rule that tries to level the playing field for black people in America.

(This comment will of course be downvoted heavily and/or flagged)

[anonymoushn]

No downvotes, but I haven't yet figured out why racial quotas for Jews were bad and racial quotas for Asians are good.

[jquery]

Asians don’t have a representation issue in education.

When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups.

If you don’t think representation matters then all of this will seem very silly to you.

[anonymoushn]

Filipinos are hugely underrepresented in elite US schools, and we are using racial quotas to make the problem worse.

> When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups.

So like, it wasn't okay to discriminate against Jews because there weren't that many of them in absolute terms, but it's ok to discriminate against Filipinos? There are about twice as many Jews as Filipinos in the US, by the way.

[jquery]

Filipinos do not have the same history in the USA as Black Americans. If there is an anti-Filipino bias then I’m all for correcting it. Are Filipinos disproportionately filling our prison system? Were their ancestors enslaved? Do they have social networks where nobody in their entire network has gone to college?

Are you really trying to grapple with the problem here, or is it as simple to you as “we should never take steps to affirmatively correct past racial injustices”? Your deep concern with Jews being treated too well makes me suspect you aren’t arguing from a genuine place of concern about injustice, but carelessly lobbing white supremacist talking points. They would indeed argue that we need to restrict Jewish admissions because Jews are replacing “true whites” in Universities.

[anonymoushn]

> Filipinos do not have the same history in the USA as Black Americans. If there is an anti-Filipino bias then I’m all for correcting it. Are Filipinos disproportionately filling our prison system? Were their ancestors enslaved? Do they have social networks where nobody in their entire network has gone to college?

I thought we were talking about why racial quotas for Asian people were good, not some other topic.

Filipinos' ancestors were placed in human zoos in America in the 1900s. After the Japanese surrender in World War II, Americans continued bombing their villages. The US has bankrolled a dynasty of looters who have overseen the decline of the country in the postwar period and, recently, the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people flimsily accused of being affiliated with organized crime.

A lot of this is fairly typical of the US's treatment of any country where the US fought a war between World War II and the Vietnam War or any country where the US has had a preferred political party, so I don't have any particular argument for correcting injustices carried out by the US against Filipinos that does not also apply to a slight majority of South American countries. We do not currently have a program of racial quotas for South Americans though.

> Are you really trying to grapple with the problem here, or is it as simple to you as “we should never take steps to affirmatively correct past racial injustices”?

Perhaps it would help if you could reply to what I wrote, and not to what I did not write?

> Your deep concern with Jews being treated too well makes me suspect you aren’t arguing from a genuine place of concern about injustice, but carelessly lobbing white supremacist talking points.

Maybe you're thinking of some other comment you read elsewhere? I'm honestly not sure what to say. Maybe I could randomly impugn your motives as a proponent of the reinstatement of Japanese internment or whatever, if this is your preferred way to chat with people, and you are trying to show me how you would like to be treated.

To be clear, I am not concerned with Jews being treated too well. Jews seem to be treated appropriately now, as far as US college admissions go. They were treated unfairly in the past. We rightly see the way they were treated in the past as an injustice. Why do we not see it as an injustice when we apply the same rules to different minorities? That is the question I originally posed. So far you chose to reply to "It was wrong to do discriminate against Jews. Why is it right to discriminate against Filipinos?" by calling me a white supremacist.

[_9xrb]

Where do you draw the line? White Gentiles are the majority population of this country, yet dramatically underrepresented in the Ivy League. White Jewish students of comparable ability are roughly 1,000% more likely to be enrolled at Harvard and the rest of the Ivies.

Does their representation matter to you? How about South Asian students versus Chinese, or (perhaps most concerningly) wealthy Nigerian immigrants versus poorer African-American descendants of slavery? The former often benefit from affirmative action aimed at the latter.

[jquery]

I’m repeating myself but I’ll post it again.

Asians don’t have a representation issue in education.

If you think representation doesn't matter, that we live in a pure meritocracy, that only grades and tests scores matter, then attempts to fix injustice will seem silly to you. The smallest minority is the individual, so if you insist on breaking down racial-subcategories enough, you will always find "winners" and "losers" in attempts to redress injustice.

[akdor1154]

Because one is 'at least' and one is 'at most'?

[anonymoushn]

They're both 'at most.'