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by hexadec 1404 days ago
> during the GPU shortage where gamers who build systems with AMD chips were left unable to use their PC

This comment baffles me, both AMD and Intel have CPUs with onboard graphics and those without. You even noted the integrated graphics a sentence later.

If anything, this is more evidence that AMD is following the Intel playbook by having that integrated CPU/ GPU architecture plan.

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>This comment baffles me, both AMD and Intel have CPUs with onboard graphics and those without. You even noted the integrated graphics a sentence later

Why does it baffle you? AMD has only been selling desktop chips with integrated GPUs only for a few years now (they called them APUs), and their APUs were not that stellar at either the GPU or CPU part due to compromises on both parts.

Most of the successful Ryzen chips AMD was selling for the desktop were exclusively without integrated GPUs, to save die space and cost, which hurt PC builders during the GPU scalpocalipse, while on the other hand, Intel's almost entire CPU product range for desktops had integrated GPUs for over 10 years now, enabling PC builders to at least use their PCs until a dGPU could be available.

Sure, Intel sold some CPUs without iGPUs but those were very few SKUs in comparison. Similarly, but in reverse, AMD also sold some Ryzen CPUs with iGPUs(APUs), but those were very few SKUs as their CPUs were weaker than the non-iGPU SKUs, and their outdated Vega iGPUs were pretty weak even compared to Intel's Xe.

So that's the major difference between Intel and AMD that was a game changer for many: Intel shipped most of its chips with iGPUs for over a decade while AMD did not, meaning you always needed to buy a dGPU, and if you couldn't, like in the past ~2 years, well ... good luck, your new tower PC is now an expensive door stop.

Still baffled?

And AMD sold how many APUs for desktop relative to CPUs?
AMD's Zen 2 Apus were not made (widely) avaialble at retail, and Zen+ APUs only went to quad core. If you wanted 6 cores and an integrated GPU, you had to buy Intel or from Aliexpress or wait until August 2021 for Zen3 APUs to launch. The two 4650G chips I got in late 2020 work great, but having to call my card issuer to get them to turn off all fraud production for an hour so I can get an order in wasn't ideal.
AMD CPUs with iGPUs are a very different product from their CPUs without, regardless of what the nomenclature might imply.