[jtwaleson]

I'm European and I'll happily admit there is no EU alternative to AWS, GCP, Azure. The breadth of services _on_, and the amount of engineers able to work _with_ these platforms is incredible and can't be beat by the likes of Hetzner and OVH. We are so behind that we won't catch up. The arrogance is warranted in this case.

I like privacy, but the business person in me is very frustrated by these GDPR rulings as they make the life of European startups even harder than it already is.

[emptysongglass]

I mean I'm really enjoying Scaleway for all of the things I'd use AWS for: EKS, managed DBs, and cloud M1 Macs are all accounted for.

[jtwaleson]

But you realize that all tightly integrated high-level services like IAM, Kinesis, Lambda, DynamoDB, CloudWatch (just to name a few from AWS), make the cloud a joy to work with? AWS had VMs and Managed DBs in 2009(!).

[emptysongglass]

My personal experience with IAM is that it makes AWS awful to work with. I honestly wish it was replaced with an service far simpler in design. CloudWatch is similarly obtuse.

I think you have a point with Lambda though I don't use serverless much. How does Knative compare?

[jtwaleson]

I personally have no experience with Knative. In my view, you open up a different can of worms by dragging in k8s. Either do everything natively on your cloud provider or go all-in with k8s.

[lispm]

Lidl: https://www.stackit.de/en/

[jtwaleson]

Are you joking? The products page is laughable compared to the big cloud providers. Hell, it has "We create custom-fit solutions" on the landing page. If anything screams non-cloud it's that.