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Please don't start nationalistic flamewars on HN. This one was particularly hellish and particularly dumb.

It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

testaccountfor 1411 days ago

Critcism of US spying is not "starting a flame war".

Please refrain from interfering with healthy discussion.

dang 1411 days ago

Words cannot express how little we care what you or anyone else has to say about "US spying" as long as you/they do it within the site guidelines and the intended spirit of the site. From a moderation point of view, the issue is not "US spying", it's "violation of the site rules" - which was happening all over this thread. This was the extreme opposite of "healthy discussion".

Btw, your account has been adding to this flamewar in just the way that we don't want here. I'm not going to ban you right now, but only because it doesn't feel sporting to ban an account that I only noticed when you replied to me. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, though, we'd appreciate it.

testaccountfor 1411 days ago

Thanks for proving my point. "Don't criticise US spying, and I'll threaten you with ban if you do."

Not a single rule was violated in the post above. Looks like hackernews needs more responsible moderators.

moretestaccoun 1411 days ago

Why is this thread flagged? It looks like one mod is abusing her power.

eli 1412 days ago

Isn't it easier for the NSA to spy on foreign companies than US companies? There are restrictions on how they can operate on US soil.

qeternity 1412 days ago

Yes. I've never understood this whole "don't host in the US or the NSA will spy on you"...uh, that might be true, but at least on paper there are protections.

An EU subsidiary of a US company is fully legal fair game for every 3 letter agency.

eli 1412 days ago

As is a fully independent EU alternative.

I support reigning in the NSA, GDPR seems like a weird way to do it. I don't follow the logic.

throwaway4good 1412 days ago

The US Cloud act requires companies to open their platform for the intelligence agencies. We are not talking about hacking, they are required by law to provide access.

qeternity 1412 days ago

…via the judicial system (warrant or subpoena) and still protected by US law.

An EU company can just be hacked legally.

jaywalk 1412 days ago

> We are capable of doing that ourselves.

Then do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Especially not tedious and dumb nationalistic flamewar.

You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.

Whoa - you've posted tons of flamewar comments in this thread - that's seriously not cool, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong other people are or you feel they are.

It looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines in other contexts too. Can you please review them and stick to the intended spirit here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, let alone dumb nationalistic flamewars. We may not be able to have a reliably good discussion forum in this community but we can at least do better than that.

Without beating around the bush, can you state your point please?

My point is at the end of the post. also why do you keep deleting your comments? i had such a good response to your periodic table nonsense lol.

Here is my periodic system nonsense again: a European discovered silicon. America's not all that. Also, you seem to have a chicken and egg problem with your reasoning.

jaywalk 1412 days ago

I typed my reply on an OS created by Americans, but that's entirely irrelevant.

It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. We're talking about cloud providers here. You need to create something on the scale of AWS and Azure if you want to be taken seriously. Hetzner and OVH aren't going to cut it.

>> It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day.

It's not? Because that's what most Europeans think.

>> We're talking about cloud providers here.

Ooooooooooooooooooh weeeeeeeeeeeh, now that's fancy.

Maybe if we could get an American over here to help us out, it could work? Are you available? Because we need answers to questions that you can't just google. We need someone who's been there, done that and who has money beyond what any European could ever even imagine. We need a Texan.

Are you a Texan? Or an absolute asshole? Both of those combined seems to fit the profile of a person that could make a change over here.

'Merica, F yeah!

Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this, please.

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throwaway4good 1412 days ago

I am all for a free and open internet. If you want to connect to a computer in Russia or United States, that is ok, think about what happens to your data, if you care about that, or don't.

But here we are talking about whether the German government should use hosting centers, for their governmental software, they know are accesible to US intelligence services.

The answer to that is: Of course not.

you are correct a foreign government should not rely on another foreign government for government related technologies, but the reason this even went to court is because one company couldn't compete with another for contracts so they played the legal card if i understood the summary correctly. This shows there's a lack of technological capability/capacity within the EU asif its actual rocket science to host computed services. Aslo do you think about your data? because this is a US service and if remember correctly its hosted on M5 both US services. so you using it shows you aren't thinking about your data because this site is a data trove upvotes, comments, posts, etc. The US government could easily subpoena for all your data and cookies related to this site and build a profile.

mattashii 1412 days ago

But you do not need to mention the GDPR to comply with the GDPR.

They also use google analytics which i remember reading a couple weeks ago has ongoing issues with the eu.