[joshuaissac]

> Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there.

Isn't that what happened with TikTok?

Both China and the US have laws that force global subsidiaries of Chinese/American companies to hand over data held overseas.

[ThunderSizzle]

I would argue China-US relationships are not that of allies or friends. There isn't a war or cold war going on, but I wouldn't pretend that the relations between China and the US are peaceful and represent trustful tranquility.

I would argue the relationship between Europe and US are substantially better, although not without frustrations from both sides, some warranted and some not.

At the very least, several countries are in a formal defensive alliance with the US and each other (NATO).

[Macha]

NATO membership is also true for Turkey, which is not always considered friendly with the EU and US.

[ThunderSizzle]

Turkey is a very interesting case, and is rooted in the Cold War.

But I do agree Turkey is less friendly dly and is on my personal no-go zone for safety reasons.

[htkibar]

Turkey's status is (or should be) always about who is at the helm. It is an interestingly "supreme leader" type of a culture, and with Erdogan you can see how that plays out. Heart breaking, in my opinion, as they had a reasonable shot at becoming a properly European country (read: culture & rule of law wise especially).

For example, you would have had an amazing time 20 years ago with a level of security comparable to other European countries. Nowadays? Personal no-go zone is a wise decision, to say the least. If I didn't have my biological family there; I would have done the same in an instant.