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by kaba0
1404 days ago
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I recommend looking at already existing package descriptions for programs written in the same language you are looking for. Chances are, you can hit it enough times to make it package up your program as well. I don’t think learning nix from its internals is worth it, especially not for beginners. |
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Nitpick: what you're calling 'Nix internals' are actually Nixpkgs internals.
FWIW, I think that to some extent this is just the way you have to go when you're trying to quickly take up a new (to you) configuration language for practical purposes.
I've somewhat recently started putting together some simple CI/CD pipelines at work with a tool called Dagger, which is a container image builder-and-runner based on BuildKit and the CUE language.
When I first started learning Nix years ago, I had a lot of packaging trouble with some quirky software that wasn't yet packaged for Nix, and I only ended up getting unstuck by asking for help on IRC. One generous person was hitting me with incredibly helpful links to examples from Nixpkgs and the documentation left and right, and I was astonished with their fluency. I asked them how they knew all this, and they basically said:
> Idk, one day I just sat down and started to read through some of the Nixpkgs codebase, and now I `grep -R` through it a lot to look for examples.
At the time it sounded adventurous and crazy to me, as I was pretty intimidated by the prospect. Eventually that became one of my standard tools: I treat the Nixpkgs repo as another source of documentation.
Fast forward to today and my Dagger implementation efforts, and things got immensely easier for me the moment I started treating Dagger like Nix. I cloned the upstream Dagger repository and started searching through the unit tests with `rg`, and all the answers to my questions about what functionality Dagger exposes via CUE modules were right there. Tons of the guesswork disappeared, even though I don't yet have a great grasp of the CUE language.
In some ways, the Dagger case is harder, though. In the name of simplicity and partly for other language design reasons, CUE is emphatically not Turing-complete. This is interesting and attractive in some ways, but one of the consequences is that sometimes you hit bottom in the CUE libraries to find some compiler directive that links in functionality which had to be implemented in a Real™ programming language (in this case, Go). So to really understand, e.g., the custom data types Dagger uses for secrets, you have to go read code in another language.
By contrast, in the Nix case, the language is powerful enough that you can learn everything you need to for even very advanced Nix usage only by reading Nixlang, either in Nixpkgs or in other examples. You never actually have to dive into true 'Nix internals' (the Nix repo, which is C++ code) to figure out how something in a Nix example is achieved. With a more restricted DSL, you sometimes do.
Maybe one valuable 'missing manual' would be something like 'How to read Nixpkgs'! It's such a rich source of examples. I think making earlier reference to it could help a lot of people make faster progress and feel more effective when learning Nix.