[LPTS]

It's so funny watching you guys talk about how worthless ideas are. Maybe the relationship between starting shitty web companies, obsessing about hits, ads, and freemium accounts, and thinking ideas are worthless tells us more about the kinds of thinkers who start shitty web companies then what ideas are worth.

Most ideas suck. Those ideas are worthless. A few ideas are very valuable. Those ideas are the things that change the world. Just because all the ideas in your network are worthless, doesn't mean all ideas are worthless. The idea that ideas are worthless is worthless, it omits relevant extreme cases.

I think what people mean when they say ideas are worthless is that they don't have the vision or intelligence to sort through a pile of ideas and sort out the good few from the worthless many.

[fallentimes]

I think what they mean is: business ideas are worthless without execution.

Edit: Added "business", which is what I meant in the first place. Sorry for not clarifying.

[huhtenberg]

An idea without an execution plan is worthless. Having an actionable plan adds a lot value, which may or may not be realized via an execution.

[qqq]

Ideas are worthless for making money without execution.

[trapper]

Ideas are worthless [snip] without execution. There, fixed that for you.

[qqq]

Some famous physics experiments were thought of before it was possible to execute them. Worthless?

Also how do you execute Socrates' ideas in Euthyphro? Or are those worthless?

[wheels]

There was always an execution. It just happens to not have been the experiment. The reason we know about those ideas is that somebody put a significant amount of effort into telling the world.

[trapper]

I stand corrected

[LPTS]

in starting web companies maybe. Not in a lot of other fields, including many fields where the real value is to be created.

[fallentimes]

I'd argue that creating/creation has a lot in common with execution.

[trapper]

Can you name a few example ideas that changed the world, that would have been valuable without execution?

[LPTS]

Strictly speaking, I don't need to. With just logic:

Consider: "Ideas are worthless without execution."

Assume it is true. It's an idea, so it refers to itself, and it is only worthwhile with execution. Since it is not executable, then if it is true, it is worthless.

Assume it is false. It is worthless, or only worthwhile inso far as it's falsehood is useful.

So, "Ideas are worthless without execution" is itself worthless or false and useful.

In no (possible) case, is "Ideas are worthless without execution" both true and worthwhile.

I don't need examples. I just need logic.

[trapper]

Fail.

[LPTS]

explain?

[trapper]

You start with this: "Most ideas suck. Those ideas are worthless. A few ideas are very valuable. Those ideas are the things that change the world. Just because all the ideas in your network are worthless, doesn't mean all ideas are worthless."

I asked for evidence (a few examples of ideas that on their own were valuable without execution). You obviously couldn't provide any to support your argument.