[AinderS]

White Americans are descended from Europeans, and the post was talking about being proud to be white, not "white American". Though I don't see why oppression is a requirement for pride - does achievement not suffice?

And "white fragility" is simply a way to dismiss objections without addressing if they are factual. So in that sense, your use of the term is correct. Any resistance is "white fragility", and the only way to avoid that accusation is to submit to and agree with every attack against whites.

[OOD]

>White Americans are descended from Europeans, and the post was talking about being proud to be white

White Americans have never experienced oppression in America. Full stop. Europeans typically are not racialized and do not identify as white, instead as Italian, German, etc. This discussion is obviously about whites in the US.

>Though I don't see why oppression is a requirement for pride - does achievement not suffice?

It's not an achievement when you spent centuries conquering, colonizing, and extracting everything you can from BIPOCs. When you start out so far ahead in a race it's not an achievement when you win.

>And "white fragility" is simply a way to dismiss objections without addressing if they are factual.

I addressed them, you're not factual. White Americans recoil to the facts that they created and live in a society that upholds their supremacy.

[LunaSea]

> White Americans have never experienced oppression in America. Full stop. Europeans typically are not racialized and do not identify as white, instead as Italian, German, etc. This discussion is obviously about whites in the US.

Wow, this is an incredibly stupid comment.

If you simply looked at the history of Italian and Irish immigrants you would know so.

[jjeaff]

Italian and Irish were not considered "white" at the time. They were oppressed by the white majority. Lucky for them, after assimilation into American culture, they became impossible to distinguish from the white majority and so their persecution was relatively short lived.

[LunaSea]

> was relatively short lived

Well besides all that canal digging and train track building you know.

And even after all this oppression they managed to succeed.

[AinderS]

> Europeans typically are not racialized and do not identify as white, instead as Italian, German, etc.

This is obviously false, as shown by the different reactions in Europe to immigration from countries within Europe, to those outside of Europe.

[ChainOfFools]

If you are proud of your strengths you're compared to a violent conqueror. If you complain about unfair treatment or representation you're called fragile.

Nothing but heads-I-win-tails-you-lose bad faith arguments.