[WORMS_EAT_WORMS]

What makes it a great vehicle for you?

I’m in the market for a non-Tesla EV and found this to just be a mediocre car from price and features.

Best value EV is probably the Volkswagen ID.4 (or even the Bolt if you want smaller car).

Curious who these people are sinking tons of cash into over-priced, non-Tesla EVs.

Even with a $7500 fed tax credit AND some get up to $2500 for state, a complete rip-off vehicle for price.

This doesn’t even include the dealer shenanigans, more expensive trims (with some almost essential features), and “market adjustments” markups.

I guess it looks cheap compared to Tesla — but it’s not at all.

[DeRock]

The killer feature here is the recharge time, compared to the ID4 it will charge a similar amount in 20 mins vs 40 mins. That adds up on road trips.

Its also more powerful, and has better tech (buggy/laggy infotainment is a common complaint on the ID4).

> mediocre car from price and features.

> over-priced, non-Tesla EVs.

> a complete rip-off vehicle for price.

> I guess it looks cheap compared to Tesla — but it’s not at all.

You seem to have an axe to grind. What are you comparing to? The ID4 is a couple grand cheaper at best. The model Y would have been $20,000 more expensive than my IONIQ5 (AWD, SEL model) if you include the federal tax credit.

[mabbo]

Put very simply: Edmunds, the experts on cars, give the ID.4 an 8.2, and the Ioniq 5 an 8.3. They're both great cars.

Here's a review comparing the two. https://insideevs.com/reviews/586981/hyundai-ioniq-5-vw-id4-...

The one place the ID.4 wins is performance. If you want a fun drive, it's better. But that's not high on my list. Any EV is going to be more fun to drive than my ten year old Honda Civic. But the rest, the Hyundai wins the day.

Edit: also you're presuming I'm American and have your country's tax breaks, etc. Not the case, thankfully.

[rasz]

>The one place the ID.4 wins is performance.

"We picked the slower car." LOL

they talk about slow laggy UI, but dont mention frequent crashes and freezes still present full year from introduction