[yellowapple]

> Also they actually look and drive trade-ins before making an offer.

Do they? I brought in a prospective trade-in that had a misfiring cylinder (and thus a perpetually-blinking CEL and a very rough idle) and they were still willing to give me close to the top of the Blue Book range for it.

[tptacek]

Recently, or years ago? The market is definitely fucky right now.

[yellowapple]

Last October, but in any case I'd expect KBB to at least try to reflect the market fuckiness.

[tptacek]

Yeah, used cars were nosebleed expensive last October (I bought my last car used in September, and remember feeling bad about the timing, because cars had gotten so expensive that I figured I'd get a much better deal if I held out until this year --- I was wrong about that).