[magicalist]

> Also, the last time I looked at the cultural marxism article, it simply said a "far-right conspiracy theory". Now they've somehow managed to roll up antisemitism in there too. Apparently it became antisemitic in just the past year or two!

It's been there as long as the article has (almost two years)[1] and was on the Frankfurt School subsection on the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory for the last 3.5 years[2], so you've off by a while there.

Even before that you can read about how "blacks, students, feminist women, and homosexuals" are the vanguard but its roots are in the anti-semitic criticism of the Frankfurt school, apparently peddled at, for instance, a Holocaust denial conference 20 years ago[3]. I'm not an expert on the subject but doesn't seem recent or much of a stretch to me.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cultural_Marxism_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frankfurt_School&...

[3] https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/...

[chjj]

> It's been there as long as the article has (almost two years)[1]

Yes. This was already pointed out. I was mistaken about the antisemitic part not being there earlier.

> its roots are in the anti-semitic criticism of the Frankfurt school

I would have said its criticism is rooted in the fact that Mao rose to power through cultural subversion and is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions.

> apparently peddled at, for instance, a Holocaust denial conference 20 years ago

Interesting that is brought up. To deny the existence of cultural marxism, IMO, is akin to holocaust denial.

[magicalist]

>> its roots are in the anti-semitic criticism of the Frankfurt school

> I would have said its criticism is rooted in the fact that Mao rose to power through cultural subversion and is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions.

It seems like maybe you're just hung up on definitions and/or the inclusion of "cultural" here? It sounds a lot like you're just looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Marxism and its various offshoots.

The wikipedia article for a specific set of critiques of Marxism from a bunch of racists is not a good base article for a general/systematic critique of Marxism.

[chjj]

> It seems like maybe you're just hung up on definitions and/or the inclusion of "cultural" here?

I don't think so, but I suppose I could call it "marxism which incorporates cultural subversion" if it makes you feel better. Bit of a mouth-full though.

> The wikipedia article for a specific set of critiques of Marxism from a bunch of racists is not a good base article for the general critique of Marxism.

Glad we agree. The article is definitely not a good base for anything, as it ignores the legitimate critiques of cultural marxism and instead makes it out to be a racist conspiracy theory. Seems biased in favor of marxism, wouldn't you say?

[magicalist]

> I don't think so, but I suppose I could call it "marxism which incorporate s cultural subversion" if it makes you feel better. Bit of a mouth-full though.

Or just go with the wikipedia convention of "criticism of X"?

> Glad we agree. The article is definitely not a good base for anything, as it ignores the legitimate critiques of cultural marxism and instead makes it out to be a racist conspiracy theory. Seems biased in favor of marxism, wouldn't you say?

"Cultural Marxism" is a racist conspiracy theory.

Your argument appears to just be that marxism and marxism activism is inherently cultural (sure), therefore an existing use of the words "cultural" and "marxism" should be banished to some other name so that an article that already exists and already has a different name can be called "cultural marxism" instead.

edgyquant has a stronger argument about people like Jordan Peterson inadvisably adopting that term so usage is shifting over time. I could see that continuing and the article changing to a disambiguation page some day, though from your mention of Mao, I don't think you'd be satisfied with edgyquant's preferred redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_cultural_analysis