[ajsnigrutin]

Yep, and the blatant misiformation and propaganda plus war crimes from nato

eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grdelica_train_bombing

> The Grdelica train bombing occurred on 12 April 1999, when two missiles fired by US aircraft F-15E Strike Eagle hit a passenger train while it was passing across a railway bridge over the Južna Morava river in the Grdelica gorge, some 300 kilometres (190 mi) south of Belgrade, Serbia. At least 20 civilian passengers were killed or declared missing. Estimates of the total death toll run as high as 60.[1] It is considered the deadliest rail disaster in Serbian history.[3][4]

So, nato bombed a civillian train, claiming it was an accident, because the train was "so fast",... which anyone knowin trains in serbia knows it's a lie. So, nato sped up the video:

> Later investigation by Frankfurter Rundschau asserted that the video was sped up 4.7 times.[8]

So again... we have an area of a country, where "other people" live and want their own country, main country won't let them, there are some shootings, shellings etc. for years, and then an "outside" superpower intervenes, basically destroys the main country to achieve independence for that area. Kosovo, ukraine.. it's all the same, just different actors.

[wiseowise]

> So again... we have an area of a country, where "other people" live and want their own country, main country won't let them, there are some shootings, shellings etc. for years, and then an "outside" superpower intervenes, basically destroys the main country to achieve independence for that area. Kosovo, ukraine.. it's all the same, just different actors.

There’s no “other people” in Ukraine. There are Ukrainians and Ukrainians. There’s no other people that want “other country”.

But nice straw man, 40 rubles deposited to your account.

[vogre]

> There are Ukrainians and Ukrainians. There’s no other people that want “other country”.

This is very untrue. East Ukraine is mostly Russian ethnically. Even languages are different in Western and Eastern Ukraine.

Before 2014 some guys who are now in Azov Batallion identified themselves an Russian nationalists.

While many things changed since, there are still many people on the East who identify themselves as Russians.

Think about it - Mariupol was taken by DPR troops and Crimean marines. Basically by people who live on territories Ukraine claims its own. Donetsk is shelled

[wiseowise]

Language!=ethnicity.

[jollybean]

This is complete rubbish, bad faith duplicity.

1) You have to back 25 years to find an accident which you contort and completely turn upside down?

2) This was not an act of 'propaganda' by NATO. NATO hit the train and literally admitted to it the next day. There was no claims that the Serbians 'did it to themselves' or 'cover up'. There is no 'propaganda' or 'information' issue here.

3) It was assuredly an accident. There is absolutely no reason for NATO to hit arbitrary trains with civilians otherwise, even cynically. In fact, as they admitted the mistake immediately - it was hugely costly in terms of bad press, winning hearts and minds. Why would NATO do such damage to itself for no reason?

4) NATO intervention in Kosovo/Serbia is obviously nothing like Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Kosovars were being killed by Serbians and are very, very happy to have the protection of NATO in that regard.

5) Your repulsive implication that somehow Ukraine is similar to Kosovo in that it's a 'breakaway' area that wants 'independence' is disgusting Russian propaganda: Ukraine is a sovereign country, not a wayward Russian territory.

While Serbia/Kosovo is a complicated situation, Serbians will have to stop killing Kosovo citizens, thankfully NATO achieved that, and at least we have that.

Russia has no business being in Ukraine - full stop. Russian forces in Ukraine will have to leave or be killed, and when it's over Russians will be responsible for paying damages to Ukraine, and be forced to recognize their atrocities.

[ajsnigrutin]

> 1) You have to back 25 years to find an accident which you contort and completely turn upside down?

Yes, because the planes flew over my head, 400km away and bombed people there... not long before that, we were a part of the same country. People from eg. pakistan had planes bomb weddings there, and another "whoopsie, accident", and they're not even at war with them.

> 2) This was not an act of 'propaganda' by NATO. NATO hit the train and literally admitted to it the next day. There was no claims that the Serbians 'did it to themselves' or 'cover up'. There is no 'propaganda' or 'information' issue here.

Yes, nato pilot waited for the civilian train to cross the civilian bridge that the nato was bombing, to hit the train too.. that's why they had to speed up the video, because the wait was long.

> 3) It was assuredly an accident. There is absolutely no reason for NATO to hit arbitrary trains with civilians otherwise, even cynically. In fact, as they admitted the mistake immediately - it was hugely costly in terms of bad press, winning hearts and minds. Why would NATO do such damage to itself for no reason?

I mean.. they did hit a LOT of civilian targets, not by mistakes, but intentionally, "by design". They even carped bombed a city. A TV station. Not a "whoopsie" but they targeted it and hit it. Also a tobacco factory, and many others.

> 4) NATO intervention in Kosovo/Serbia is obviously nothing like Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Kosovars were being killed by Serbians and are very, very happy to have the protection of NATO in that regard.

So were the russians in ukraine. Look, even reuters was writing about that before 2022:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/life-under-siege-reside...

So, you want independent kosovo but not independent lugansk/donbas regions?

> 5) Your repulsive implication that somehow Ukraine is similar to Kosovo in that it's a 'breakaway' area that wants 'independence' is disgusting Russian propaganda: Ukraine is a sovereign country, not a wayward Russian territory.

So is serbia. But a superpower decided an area wanting independence will get independence, and it used bombs to gain independence of that area. Catalonia is an area where superpowers don't want independence, so they don't get it. Eastern ukraine regions are the same as kosovo, just with a different superpower.

> While Serbia/Kosovo is a complicated situation, Serbians will have to stop killing Kosovo citizens, thankfully NATO achieved that, and at least we have that.

And ukranians should've stopped with the attacks on russian minorities in the east.

> Russia has no business being in Ukraine - full stop. Russian forces in Ukraine will have to leave or be killed, and when it's over Russians will be responsible for paying damages to Ukraine, and be forced to recognize their atrocities.

Yes, and slovenian (my country) troops have no business being in syria. I don't know from which country you are, but i'm guessing your troops have no business being in some other sovereign country either. And you want pay damages and won't recognize your atrocities. If you're an american, you might just imprison another whistleblower for exposing war crimes... you have a history of that.