[mercer]

> The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it.

the 'original' libertarians (anarchists) would probably agree...

[isityouyesitsme]

The modern form of argumentation on display here:

"I'm not going to argue against what you say you believe, I'm going to assert you believe something else and attack that, or group you with people who believe differently than you and argue against that."

[guerrilla]

I mean they just stated a fact, it's not an argument. [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Etymology

[mercer]

What are you on about??