[wizofaus]

I'm actually fine with basically any OS, I've used them all over the years to various degrees. But MacOS was always the one where I felt I was working with one hand tied behind my back, with various things I use all the time (extended keyboard with separate Del/Backspace, right mouse button/ scroll wheel, many software tools, ability to poke around "under the cover" etc.) either outright missing or compromised on MacOS/Apple hardware. Though it's Apple's whole approach to forced software upgrades that annoys me the most. The battery life is good though.

[dylan604]

Unless you're only using built-in laptop keyboard/trackpad, why is that limiting. It's USB compatible with pretty much any 3rd party. I have a full size Mac keyboard with 10-key and home/end/del/pageUp/pageDown. I hate not having it. So I'm not sure why you're unable to use the same. I do agree on their mice being a bit lacking, but again, any mouse can be used. It's not like you have to have Dell mouse with your Dell comp. Gamers all use different mice, so why the hate on a peripherial?

[wizofaus]

If I really had no choice but to use a Mac for the majority of my work then, sure, I'd invest in better peripherals but the times I've worked with them that generally wasn't a readily available option or worth my while. And there's no hate - if I'd used mostly Macs for the last 35+ years I'd probably find various things missing on Wintel machines to be a drag on productivity too.

[seba_dos1]

> Unless you're only using built-in laptop keyboard/trackpad

Well, I am. I find it too cumbersome otherwise. If I wanted to have a desktop workstation, I would have a desktop PC - with a laptop, I'm working on its keyboard and touchpad, so I can move with it anywhere I want and still be as comfortable using it as usual.

[dylan604]

and what non-Apple laptop is available with a full sized keyboard that you'd be okay using? it just seems such a petty thing when no other laptop meets your "needs"

[seba_dos1]

I'm using Dell XPS 13 9380 right now and it serves me well, although I'd prefer the keyboard layout of Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro that I used previously and which I find perfect. These days it's getting increasingly hard to find a 13" laptop with acceptable keyboard layout :(

I don't know how does the situation look like with larger laptops as I wasn't interested in them when I was looking around for a new computer the last time.