[TheLoafOfBread]

Look at country side in Eastern Europe. You think that people are driving around in cars made between 1990-2010 because they are fans of old tech? No they drive those cars, because they don't have money to buy something better.

And those guys are going to support anyone who is going to oppose ICE ban, because for people living on country side it will be absolutely unaffordable to have BEV with range of their current old ICE car.

[ZeroGravitas]

Why would people who drive 10-30 year old cars, and for whatever reason feel that they need an ICE car, vote against a ban on the sale of new ICE cars starting in a decade?

That doesn't even begin to affect their purchases for 20-40 years and even then, it still doesn't ban plug-in hybrids, that will be their best options for 10 year old cars in about 10 years time anyway?

It just makes no sense.

[TheLoafOfBread]

Because BEVs which they will eventually get will have range of +-50km, which is much less than their current ICE cars for much more money. Is it really that hard to grasp it?

[ZeroGravitas]

> Is it really that hard to grasp it?

Yes, it is. Are they intentionally not buying the second hand PHEVs Which will probably still be available to buy new at this point? Are they picking their cars at random? Or do they run some kind of rough calculation of expected running costs for their intended usage before they decide to buy it?

If so then the ones that only need 50km daily range can buy the BEV and save on gas, and the other ones can buy the PHEVs and still save on gas, which will probably be pretty expensive since we're talking about the year 2040 at the minimum if they really need to get a car exactly 10 years old, rather than their usual limit of up to 30 year old cars. People happy with 30 yeor old cars will only start to have problems car shopping in the 2060s

[TheLoafOfBread]

You are missing the point. The whole thread is about the fact, that most people will be unable to afford a BEV and cheap ICE won't be available because arbitrary reasons. Those people will then actively vote for populists and they will put a brake or even reverse the green policies.

It is so patently ridiculous, when you are trying to sell old junk BEV as a superior product, while it can't even remotely do what previous ICE with similar age was able to do. People does not understand why they should use inferior product - junk BEV with burnt out battery - and that's the reason why they will be actively detracting any kind of green effort, because current policies are leaving those people behind. Frankly it seems to me that majority of society will be left behind by insensitive and expensive green policies.