[zx14]

Sigh I don't see why I need to use a 3rd party tool for what should be a very straightforward process in Python out of the box. In fact, I think these days it actually is straightforward, of course once you work out what you need to do...

Python is a mess.

[uranusjr]

Just fyi, both npm and yarn are “third party” tools. Cargo is closer to the Rust core, and you can find tools in a similar position in Python as well (e.g. setuptools, hatch). Packaging tools being managed by a different group than people working on the “core language” is actually the norm, since those are very different topics and only very few brilliant people care about both of them at the same time. Python people tend to not hide some of these implementation details (probably self-selected by their choice to use Python in the first place), and it’s OK to not like it, but hopefully this helps clarify where your hate comes from so you don’t get burnt by wrong expectations elsewhere down the road.

[zx14]

Instead of being insecure about criticisms to the Python ecosystem and calling my disappointment "hatred" I'd rather we focused on solutions.

Just because this mess happens in some other languages doesn't mean it's the right thing. Having a very fragmented community is not a good thing for a beginner. Also, npm is far more of a de facto choice than poetry, which is still better than the state python finds itself in.

[doliveira]

It doesn't even happen in the example of Node. Npm is even bundled together with NodeJS itself, and yarn is fully compatible with package.json.