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by hotpotamus 1430 days ago
https://insideevs.com/news/502536/wuling-hongguang-mini-ev-c...

That's the actual car I think I want most in the world. It's so cheap and fun, and possibly even practical for me, but I don't think there's any way I could drive it in my city sadly.

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https://www.arcimoto.com/

Not nearly as cheap, but street legal in the US and looks like loads of fun.

Yeah, the "larger cars are safer for people inside the car but more likely to kill people outside the car" red queen race made roads even more terrible. In car like that, you would get ran over by a lifted truck or mama-SUV pretty quickly.
If things continue this way, our current end game is tanks with machine guns and stuff. I feel safer already.
I don't think it will ever arrive in the US, but the Citroen AMI is a nice little thing that is having some success in some EU countries:

https://www.citroen.co.uk/models/future-models/ami.html

Though personally (if it will ever be produced in mass) I like this "re-make" of the old Isetta, the microlino:

https://microlino-car.com/en/microlino

I would actually get a driving license for a car like this.

Why wouldn't you be able to drive it in your city. Doesn't look smaller than a smart.

In the US you'd have to buy a bunch and put them through destructive crash tests to certify them, and I doubt these would pass - those smart cars actually have expensive high end steel structures built in that make them surprisingly resilient, and I doubt they do that in China.

If they had 3 wheels you could skip a lot of that and count it as a motorcycle. Also, anything older than 25 years basically just bypasses the rules which means a lot of 90's Kei cars from Japan are starting to make their way in, but obviously those are combustion powered (still cool though).

There is the concept of Neighborhood Electric Vehicle, but I don't believe they are allowed in my state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_Electric_Vehicle

Who knows, maybe there's a business opportunity to import these things and certify them - I'd be a buyer.

Speaking of Kei cars, the first two EVs that fall into the Kei car regulatory category were recently released in Japan.

https://www.motor1.com/news/587022/nissan-sakura-electric-ke...

https://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/lineup/ek_x_ev/special/?...

The “destructive crash tests” are required so that you have a fighting chance in surviving a crash with a SUV
I understand that, but how would I do in crash with an SUV if I were on a motorcycle and are those street legal?
A motorcycle has obvious dangers. An unsafe car has non-obvious dangers.

A lot of government regulation is about preventing non-obvious dangers or trying to make them obvious.

This leads me down a funny thought process of how would I make a cheap Chinese imported electric kart seem less safe so I could drive it down the street.
How would a car a small fraction of another car have non-obvious dangers in one-on-one collisions? If you think that a smaller mass object vs a much larger mass object is not going to do lots of damage to the smaller mass object, then a basic understanding of physics seems to be lacking. Then, tack on how much faster the larger mass object can be moving in comparison to the lower mass object, and tell me what's so non-obvious about that.
I wonder if there's a solution similar to experimental aeroplanes, e.g. a massive sticker which essentially says "THIS IS NOT A CERTIFIED PLANE, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS"
Also Cycles and Horses and Donkeys are all legal on the road.
A motorcycle can't really be built to survive impact with a truck. A car can, so it makes sense to require them to build to that standard.
Looking at the way the "frame" is built on these, I'm not sure it would fare well in a crash with even a Fiat 500. It appears to have zero crash safety.
Assuming they live in the US there is a 0% chance that passed DOT crash tests and thus won't be street legal in the US.
Haha wow, that's such an adorable car. It's unfortunate that that kind of vehicle won't ever make it to the US though.
The closest thing was probably the electric Smart car that Mercedes makes: https://carbuzz.com/cars/smart/fortwo-electric-drive-cabrio

They don’t sell them in the US anymore.

Oh wow, I didn't even know they made an electric smart, much less a convertible one. Not sure how good the EV part of that was (the article hints that it was terrible) but the form factor is really nice.
Is the Honda-e available over there?

That's a pretty nice mini electric vehicle.

The Honda-e is not available at all in the US. The top line excuse is that side-view cameras are still not street legal in the US (though regulators are supposed to finally reconvene on that any day now) and the car's profile can't retrofit mirrors. But the current bottom line seems a disinterest from Honda of America in any EV products right now.
It’s really not that small in real life.
I'm in the UK and seen them about. They aren't very large, about the size of a Fiat 500 which is considered quite a compact car.

[Edit] I've just looked it up and it is considered a mid-sized super-compact.

Within 1/2" of the Fiesta for the wheelbase. Its quite dinky.

Its wheelbase is 8 inches longer than the Fiat 500, and it’s overall 10" longer. It’s by no means a big car, but it’s quite a bit bigger than a traditional city car.
I don't understand why anyone would choose that over a motorbike.