[kcartlidge]

> If you like the productivity, just wait till you try Rails.

I like Rails (vintage, Rails 5). Unfortunately DotNet and EF combined now have virtually the same productivity but with massively better performance. Which is a shame as Ruby is a great language.

[TheRealDunkirk]

I’ve tried very hard to use EF. If you think it’s equivalent to the productivity of ActiveRecord, well… more power to you, I guess.

[kcartlidge]

And that's why there are so many ecosystems - to cover the variety of tastes and preferences.

I think the end game may be one unique ecosystem per developer (like with JS frameworks).