[spacemanmatt]

The 5 or 10 years experience they might have is pretty thin unless they have had extremely good mentoring. It takes more than a senior project and a few years as a junior dev to be worth much. I consider junior devs incubation projects. Some of them turn out nicely.

[lezojeda]

But many people think they're worth that. I don't think there is an intrinsic "worth" for each developer, demand is high, supply is low, that's why salaries are high.

[spacemanmatt]

Well, I believe that as humans they are worth enough to eat, live, and enjoy life, at the very least, but from a surviving-in-capitalism perspective they can't pull their weight for a while in most cases. I'm not arguing against hiring and paying juniors a living wage, just noting that it takes a while and some diverse experience to get most of them over the hump, so to speak.