[s1artibartfast]

I feel sorry for Hems in this story. It seems like they were caught up in the conflict between an organization with a specific ideology against wolf hunting, and the reality that laws that allows the wolf hunting behavior that they disagree with.

[Maursault]

I feel sorry for hunters. They are sociopaths, yet they think they're decent individuals. They operate without responsibility, as though Newton's Third Law of Motion doesn't exist, and actions have no consequences. There is really no difference between the Nazi with the human-skin lampshade and a hunter that decorates their walls with dead things as trophies.

The animals hunters kill are more human than the humans murdering them. Animals are people, and only idiots believe otherwise. All mammals have the same experience in the world, are sentient, with memory, experience joy, love, fear, pain, etc. Birds, reptiles, amphibians, and fish all experience pain, and undoubtedly are sentient.

We really don't need ranchers any more, certainly not as many, probably only a tenth of them, maybe less than that. They need to train for new careers. With less ranchers, there will be less entitlement to natural resources, and much less animosity towards wolves.

I think we should arm the wolves, and only allow hunters to hunt each other. Everybody wins.

[cafard]

Are the wolves vegetarian, then?

[Maursault]

Bandwagon fallacy, but good effort.

[s1artibartfast]

It really depends on the argument.

The bandwagon fallacy is if just because someone else is doing something does not make it moral. It seems like the parent post was saying that the moral rules only apply to humans.

It seems they are claiming that all animals are people, that killing animals is as bad as killing humans, and humans deserve to hunted for killing animals.

This naturally raises the question of the morality of other sentient animals killing animals, and what they deserve.

Perhaps all predators are evil and should be exterminated

[Maursault]

> The bandwagon fallacy is if just because someone else is doing something does not make it moral.

Right, like the wolves, which was obviously GP's thinly veiled argument: wolves kill, therefore killing is ok. That is bandwagon fallacy.

[s1artibartfast]

That would be, vit if the parent post is holding wolves and people to the same standard but getting different conclusions, that is also an error