[dmix]

Are there any other major examples of modern ML ethical issues besides some Tesla cars killing their drivers?

Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else.

The only other modern AI ethics stuff I hear about is making image generators more politically correct and maybe some criminal sentencing algorithms that are being misused (which isn’t really an AI ethics problem but a judicial procedural one).

[theshrike79]

Not AI directly, but there is a talk by a coder who was asked to do triangulation targeting for mobile phones. It was an interesting problem so he went for it.

After a while he figured out that his code was used to target missiles on people using cell phones in Iraq.

[dmix]

Not any AI then?

[UncleEntity]

> Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else.

All the videos on the YouTubes I’ve seen show industrial robots with crazy amounts of safety equipment where you can’t get close enough to it while it’s running for someone to get hurt.

I have seen people experimenting with robot arms next to their CNC machine where it could easily take off someone’s head if you piss it off but these are small shops where they expect the operator to keep on the robot’s good side, no inappropriate sexual comments and biology shaming.

[dmix]

They are using ML algorithms on CNC machines and it’s causing AI ethical concerns?

Building experimental robotics on a production floor with workers walking around sounds like a normal safety issue not an AI one.

[UncleEntity]

I was watching one video where they had to train the arm what to do and am pretty sure they (the Silicon Valley robot arm startup) gave it AI magic sauce because even toasters have AI these days.

[kthejoker2]

I think everyone here is justified in saying "do your own research."

Plenty of stories if you just Google a bit.

[dmix]

I was mostly being facetious, I have done my research. I don’t really expect many legitimately good answers (although I’ll keep an open mind).

I’m still waiting for those GPT-3 and deep fake horror stories we were warned about to come to reality.

Maybe ML needs more script kiddy frameworks like KaliOS for these tools before the justifications to slow down R&D will finally be justified?

[godelski]

> I’m still waiting for those GPT-3 and deep fake horror stories we were warned about to come to reality.

I'm a bit confused. There's plenty of propaganda written by ML. Here's some deep fakes with respect to Ukraine[0][1]. Manufacturing robots kill people all the time[2][3]. They are weaponizing ML. Like specifically GPT-3? Probably not but people do use these to write tweets and short form things.

[0] https://news.northeastern.edu/2022/04/01/deepfakes-fake-news...

[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1087062648/deepfake-video-zel...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-wo...

[3] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/robot-kills-worker-on-a...

[djokkataja]

> Manufacturing robots kill people all the time[2][3].

Your techrepublic article discredits your statement:

> While any death is a tragedy, it also must be put into perspective. Humans and robots have been working together in the manufacturing industry for decades with few grievous problems. According to a 2014 New York Times report, citing OSHA, at the time robots had been responsible for 33 workplace deaths over the past 30 years. According to the National Association of Manufacturing, there are 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the US, who account for roughly 9% of the country’s workforce.