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by natoliniak 1421 days ago
what is an "expat"? an immigrant? migrant? a special kind of immigrant? hm...
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Technically (as far as I know) 'expat' was (supposed to be) used for people who were temporarily relocated to a different country. Even for a longer period. Think someone who's got a longer consulting contract and the big corporation is sending them abroad for a year. So someone who doesn't have the intention to immigrate. Including blue collar workers, regardless of social class.

But nowadays, it's usually high income immigrant westerners who don't want to be considered 'immigrants' because that's for <whisper> poor people.

After I've dealt with the US immigration processes years ago, I just call everyone who lives in a different country an 'alien'. Fuck this doublespeak.

This article actually features the company which published the 'study': https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170119-who-should-be-... See if you can ignore the neocolonial tone and figure out expat vs immigrant vs migrant.

I noticed this weird doublespeak as well. I noticed that in Poland (where I live), permanent residents from the "west" refer to themselves as "expats" while working in the same office, same position, side by side with ukrainian "immigrants". Weird.
Poor country to rich country: "immigrant".

Rich country to anywhere: "expat".

Historically, though, immigrants were permanent while expats were expected to go back at some point.

Oh I got another one! If you're from a rich place, you're an "expat", but if you're from a poor country, you're a "guest worker".
Could it be that you and your countrymen are expats, or do the Ukranians also consider themselves to be immigrants?
Are you richer than the average local at time of entry? Expat. Poorer? Immigrant.

Or at least that's what matches the usage I've seen the best.

You’re an expat if you’re white, otherwise you’re an immigrant.
The internet loves to make everything about race, but no.

Expat = temporary

Immigrant = permanent

Not true. I live in Cyprus where a lot of British pensioners move here permanently, buy small properties, some setup local businesses too. They call themselves expats. Aren't they really immigrants since they moved permanently by your definition?
Not really. For example UAE is on the list as a top destination for expats. However, laborers from poor countries would probably have a different view on things in terms of career advancement or cultural integration. They're not permanent. I mean if your 'owner' holds your passport hostage you're more permanent than temporary. They're not really 'expats' in the context of the 'study'.
Are you arguing foreign workers in UAE are "immigrants"? They aren't.

And sure, lower income foreign workers might have it worse than rich foreign workers, but they still come for the benefits.

> Are you arguing foreign workers in UAE are "immigrants"? They aren't.

No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. They aren't, they're non-immigrant temporary workers, thus technically 'expats'. However, they're more often referred to as 'migrant workers' and this report, for example, does not include them.

Another example is Mexico. There are a couple hundred thousand Americans living and working in Mexico. They're considered expats. But a Mexican temporary visa holder is considered either a migrant worker or a legal alien.

I mean they are "expats". Poorly paid expats, but expats none the less.
The argument is that by your definition temporary foreign workers in the UAE are expats, since they are not immigrants.

This report, however, does not appear to include them in their survey, suggesting a mismatch between your definition, and that used by an organization which claims to be "the largest global expat network" with "4.5 million members."

Indeed, you'll be hard pressed to find poor temporary workers from less developed described as "expats".

For example, I've noticed few people refer to the ~200K low-skilled temporary Mexican laborers in the US under the H-2A visa as "expats", even though they fit your definition.

I've further noticed that "illegal immigrant" is used even for people who intend only temporary residence in the destination country.

Not really, temporary farm workers in US are called immigrants. People on temporary visas are called immigrants in US, Canada and UK. Unless of course they’re European expats on the same visas. The textbook definition may suggest what you’re saying but the cultural usage is absolutely not that.
I mean, H1-B workers are called immigrants by the USCIS as well. But they call themselves expats.
It is an abbreviation of an expatriate, a person who lives outside their native country.

"American expatriates in London"

It had generally been used for retired people, but remote (pandemic) workers have greatly expanded the word's meaning and usage.

Interesting, I’ve only heard it used for retirees by Americans, and only recently; it’s traditionally meant people working (or living) overseas but who figure they’ll go home at some point.
Biggest difference: immigrant learns the language of the host country.
Sad but true. Some nationalities seem to be very against integration with local culture.
I think it’s a by-word for ‘American with more money than sense’, which seems redundant now that I type it.