[olliej]

No, that apple doesn't shit on privacy - so saying that they all do is BS.

Implementing the features that apple does in a way that's private requires effort and money, it isn't marketing. Safari uses Google as the default search engine, but it also puts a lot of work into fighting Google's tracking, irrespective of what happens in the search field.

We can talk about how US businesses are generally shitty to the end of time, but we don't have to pretend that just because Google and FB shit on everyone's privacy that every corporation does.

iMessage is E2E even in China, apparently. The non-E2E services that apple still has are not-E2E in china or the US or the EU.