[The5thElephant]

Thanks to scroll wheels and trackpads I don't need to awkwardly click and drag a scrollbar, and 99% of the time where I am in the scroll is irrelevant to me, so I very much prefer the disappearing scrollbar and the fact that the only people I see who turn it back on are a small percentage of developers it is fairly clear most users don't really miss it either.

That being said I would love if it was easier to add an overflow indicator using just CSS for situations where it is less apparent that a sub-element of a page can scroll.

[nine_k]

I'm fine with the scroll bar disappearing as a control.

But I badly want it as an indicator. More than once, using macOS or mobile OSes I could not realize that an area contains much more items than meets the eye, because nothing suggested that I should scroll.

This, of course, is due to the general tendency of throwing UI discoverability under the bus of "clean looks".