[nuker]

> So nobody downloads the app?

Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.

[ThatPlayer]

WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.

[tekknik]

They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.

[hammyhavoc]

Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic.

Future is Matrix.

[tekknik]

Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor

[hammyhavoc]

Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.

[tekknik]

Ok, now tell me why i want to snoop on my neighbors SMS? Or why they want to see me asking my wife what to make for dinner?

Are you aware of man in the middle attacks? Do you think encrypted channels are safe from state actors?

Also most phones don’t even use SMS anymore, and instead go through an encrypted server to make it so you can hide your traffic from your neighbors.

Get with reality, not everybody wants or needs what your selling here.

[tekknik]

Those are very avoidable. Try work apps like slack, teams, concur.

[hammyhavoc]

I just bridge them to Matrix, and get it all in Element.

[tekknik]

We get that you like matrix.

[hammyhavoc]

But do you also get that I'm autistic and can go on about things to the point of pissing off complete strangers?

[petre]

Fortunately HN has "you're posting too fast" rate controls.