[bsagdiyev]

Justify it however you like. Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop.

[corrral]

> Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop.

That's... quite a bold assertion.

[trasz]

Except that in this case the "violence" is actually defence. It's the Church that's the source of birther's fringe ideas, which led to laws that violate fundamental human rights.