[pid-1]

> They may not even think about such mundane things like licensing and stuff

Imagine a medical doctor or civil engineer claiming that knowing the laws of their professions is "mudane". That's why no one takes programers seriously.

> we are not decision makers.

You totally can decide to not work on stuff you are not comfortable with. It's not like there's a shortage of software engineering jobs.

[jsiepkes]

> You totally can decide to not work on stuff you are not comfortable with.

I seriously don't get why engineers think they share no responsibility whatsoever for the company they work for. Somehow, they seem to think their situation is comparable to someone picking orders at an Amazon fulfillment center. Thinking they "have no choice" when making 6 figures and having to fight off the recruiters. That's just an easy excuse they tell themselves to help them sleep at night. It's an insult to workers who actually have little choice to do shitty jobs for shitty companies to put food on the table and can barely make ends meet.

[Aeolun]

> can barely make ends meet

I dunno, that’s kinda how I feel every time I look at the price of housing.

[tehbeard]

Yes because every software engineer is at a SV startup or is a FAANG employee earning 100k+...

[Aeolun]

> knowing the laws of their professions is "mudane". That's why no one takes programmers seriously.

You cannot know laws that are not there, and the very definition of a lot of software positions these day is ‘do evil’.

[baisq]

I like that I am not being taken seriously as a programmer. I get paid a lot and in exchange I have no responsibilities. If a civil engineer or a doctor make a mistake that kills someone they go to prison. Nothing happens to me for producing crappy code. What are the downsides?