[devonkim]

I think there’s a lot of disagreements about what people think is desirable in a language in the first place and then start complaining without understanding the design concepts that shaped its creation nor even agree the problems are even problems to begin with. Many even seem to think that bad ergonomics are to be accepted and want to create a higher barrier for programming productivity (there are some merits to this attitude honestly but that’s not the point I’m interested in).

I think it’s more akin to trying to talk to people about Quentin Tarantino movies. Lots of people enjoy them, many critics like his stuff, and then there’s a relatively small group of people that disparage everything he does because he isn’t ascribed to any artistic school of filmmaking and under a lot of such critical analysis his films are pop fodder. It’s not like he ever makes his movies to please critics is the thing, he’s basically a super fan that just winged it all. Many fairly sane and measured, learned critics “get” Tarantino and appreciate him for what he tries to do and all is fine there. But it won’t matter what Tarantino does going forward with the other crowd - it’s because they have diametrically opposed ideas of wtf movies even are supposed to be.