[3pt14159]

This is bullshit.

"Computer nerds" have plenty of friends. I know factory workers that have very high depression levels due to not having enough social contact or friendship in their lives. Sure, when I was 9 I was beat the fuck up over and over but when you are friendly, smart and successful people like you. They want to be your friend. Let's play devils advocate for a second. Take the most popular person in high school and get him to design social software. It would suck. Bad.

[bermanoid]

Take the most popular person in high school and get him to design social software. It would suck. Bad.

What you've just described is Facebook, except that the "most popular person in high school" got cut out of the loop by the nerd smart enough to realize that the idea was good enough to be worth stealing.

And you're right. It does suck, in a million ways, reflecting our society at large rather well, overall. But it's also the most successful social network to date.

But in my opinion, at least, the main idea that the yacht club twins brought to the mix was actually the primary reason that it grew so easily: Facebook was, initially, at least, a social network for students at elite schools, let the rest of the University-of-CrappyPartySchool rabble diddle themselves on Myspace. Without that, I don't know that it ever would have taken off the way it did...

[daenz]

> Take the most popular person in high school and get him to design social software. It would suck. Bad.

Let's assume they had the technical skills to do it, why do you think it would suck?

[andrewflnr]

Let's assume they just have to describe in it sufficient detail to someone with technical skills who would implement it for them.

I'm pretty sure it would still suck because they wouldn't know to translate their intuitive understanding of how to leverage social dynamics to gain popularity with how to facilitate them in software. But it's hard to be sure, and would depend on the latent design skill hidden in your "popular person".

I think most people don't know how to approach software design, even from a UI perspective. It's hard even for professionals. You would have to get lucky with a person who happens to get it intuitively.

[statictype]

Let's assume they had the technical skills to do it

So basically a nerd with social skills?

[mechanical_fish]

Please. For the purposes of this conversation a "nerd" means what the OP wants it to mean, which is at least "someone who knows what a 'graph' is".

Whereas the technical skill required to build a basic electronic social network is "can you dial a phone?" Been that way for sixty years and more. For a dramatic musical rendition of the social networks designed by your parents (oh, wait, I mean your grandparents, maybe even your great-grandparents, how time flies) watch the first ten minutes of Bye Bye Birdie. Ooh, look, a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhR8QtQ4do

(I was never a fan of Bye Bye Birdie, by the way, but you can't forget that number once you hear the darn thing.)

Now, these days every eight-year-old has mastered a far greater technical challenge: Mobile text messaging. That's a better social technology because you don't have to talk, or say "hello" or "goodbye", or avoid communicating in seventeen directions at once.

There are things Twitter and Facebook can do that can't be done with chains or trees built on one-to-one texting, but I'm not sure any of them are more social. (Is anything more social than the game of phoning people and asking them to relay messages?) Really, the point of these higher-tech "social networks" is that they fill a gap by letting you be barely social and yet still be present in a bunch of people's lives. I can follow your tweets without you even knowing. I can add Facebook "friends" and then basically ignore them most of the time. I can be "introduced" to a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook without any of the real stress of even talking to them, let alone meeting them in person.

[statictype]

I'm not sure what you're trying to address here. I don't disagree with any of what you said because it doesn't seem to address my point.

You're giving examples of people using social networks. I (and the person I'm responding to) am talking about people building the infrastructure to host social networks. Using your examples, the inventor of the phone and sms would be more appropriate.

[daenz]

I'm trying to figure out his argument. He's implying that someone with good social skill would suck at designing a social network, but seemingly for more reasons than they just don't have the technical ability. Or maybe that's all he's saying.

[statictype]

He's implying that to build a social network, you would have to be technically adept enough to do it properly and nicely.

If you have the chops to do it, you're almost by definition, a technology nerd of some kind. (Yes, the 'popular' and 'nerd' sets are not mutually exclusive so I guess you have a point but you know what I'm getting at, right?)

[3pt14159]

I'm denying the premise.

The most popular person in high school was almost certainly not a nerd. Nerds take a while to maxing out their social skills, but once they do I find they are almost as good at it as sales guys or MBA gals.

From my experience the most popular kid almost never had the time to dedicate to crafting the technical skills necessary to build a mega-successful online business, Social or otherwise. Nerds think about things far more than the typical prep or jock.

[mixmastamyk]

I think it was Adam Carolla who said that the guys who get laid consistently in high school don't go on to achieve anything. They don't have the drive.

[mtraven]

It's not a question of whether they have friends or not, it's whether they are nerdy enough to imagine that the idea of friendship can be captured by a simpleminded data structure. (And yeah, not all nerds would actually believe this).

It's the same thing that drives (some) nerds towards libertarianism, a fascination with formal models and rules over the messy complexity of reality, especially social reality.