[ramraj07]

Unless I absolutely want to consume the art you make, why would I want to pay for it?

I actually pay a lot for art every week. Most people do. It’s called music and movies. So the translation is, “everyone wants to make some random art but no one wants to pay for random unsolicited art.”

Which seems fine by me!

[TheOtherHobbes]

Because the art industry isn't just "music and movies." It's an interrelated creativity hub.

If you take away visual and experimental arts you also lose good music and movies. And good graphic design. And good architecture. And more.

If you think this is exaggeration, consider that not a few household name musicians - Eno and a long list of others - went to art school, not music school.

[AmericanChopper]

The alternative art forms you mentioned are all also in demand, marketable forms of art.

[oblio]

Who's Eno? This guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eno_(rapper)

Seems like an obscure reference more than a household name :-)

At least outside of DACH.

[coldtea]

Brian Eno. Hardly an obscure reference.

[oblio]

> household name musicians

He's not a "household name musician", either.

Elvis, Beatles, Queen, Kanye West, Rihanna, Madonna, Beyoncé, Adele, etc are household name musicians.

Brian Eno is maybe a strong influence in the field, but few regular people outside of actual musicians have heard of him around the world, I'd venture.

I hadn't known about him before reading his Wikipedia page, just now. And I tend to read a lot :-)

[cornel_io]

I'm guessing you're well under the age of 40?

[oblio]

Yes, and not from the UK.

I did list Elvis and Beatles and I can list more stuff from the 50s and 60s onwards. Brian Eno would not be on those lists.

[HKH2]

> He's not a "household name musician", either.

How do we determine who is? Is Vangelis?

[oblio]

Ask a few random folks of various ages, on the street. Check out YouTube views for some of their videos, weighted by decade (videos from the 80s with tens of millions of views can be considered as popular as stuff with high hundreds of millions now). Album sales. Chart rankings from multiple countries. Endorsement revenues.

This is not rocket science.

[dls2016]

I’m guessing Brian Eno.

[SMAAART]

Industrial Design and Graphic Design are also Arts, so we consume Art every day, most everything we use or buy start with Art.

[geoduck14]

>we consume Art every day

Food is an art, too. Good food is ... good

[hoseja]

I don't think the OP is making a value statement, just an observation. It's perfectly OK nobody wants to pay for other people's random art, nonetheless most people still have at least some drive to create art.

[ocimbote]

> Unless I absolutely want to consume the art you make, why would I want to pay for it?

I understand that "if there's an act of buying, there's consumption" from your perspective, but I'd mostly disagree with that statement and actually, I think it's quite a narrow perspective.

For every act of buying, there's an act of selling. But in the reality I see, many artists sell to produce rather than they produce to sell. So the act of selling is quite flawed from, say, a company selling its products, and the same is true for the act of buying: many don't buy to own or consume, but to support or for a naively genuine sense of beauty.

You may very well boil it down to "money give, money take" but the symbolic here is far stronger than the capitalist perspective of art as a market.

Also, I'm not ignoring the attraction of the market for artists and buyers alike, it's just not the whole story.

[Wowfunhappy]

I haven't dug into the data, but I would assume working in the music or film industries would count as a "creative profession" (unless you work exclusively on the business side). While there can be a lot of money in those industries for the people who "make it", it's difficult to break in, precisely because there are fewer positions than people who want that type of work.

[notacoward]

> I actually pay a lot for art every week. Most people do. It’s called music and movies.

How much of what you pay goes to the artists? If most of it goes to rentiers, then the artists themselves need other means of support so they can keep making art.

[arrosenberg]

You are no different than people who hate paying for basic research because it doesn't directly put a new shiny in their pocket. Art is a societal process, not an individual act.