[hellgas00]

Any group with unpalatable views to the general public don't want to have their views expressed in the open. There isn't some grand parallel to be had here. The meetings in Davos are never televised despite their influence on the masses. Recently the Washington Post Doxxed the LibsOfTikTok account creator, who's only crime was posting the views of socially liberal people on tiktok. Once your uncommon views become mainstream they become ripe for criticism on a mass scale.

[hn_throwaway_99]

> Recently the Washington Post Doxxed the LibsOfTikTok account creator, who's only crime was posting the views of socially liberal people on tiktok.

Puhleeze. Can totally understand the anger at what WaPo did, but I call major bullshit on "who's only crime was posting the views of socially liberal people on tiktok."

Libs of TikTok regularly took things egregiously out of context, like I remember watching a post of hers and thinking "damn, that's fucked up", and then went and investigated the full source material, which in no way said what she intended, and got mad at myself for falling for Libs of TikTok's false outrage in the first place. She's the poster child for arguing in bad faith.

She also regularly republished obvious troll accounts as fact - anyone remember the insane "litter boxes in schools" troll posts? And then when called out on the obvious bullshit, instead of simply saying "yeah, I was wrong", goes into some ridiculous defense of "well, there must be some truth there somewhere because the school board didn't immediately denounce it."

There are plenty of commenters that accurately, and fairly IMO, point out some of the most egregious excesses of the progressive left. Libs of TikTok is not one of them.

[Banana699]

>I remember watching a post of hers and thinking "damn, that's fucked up", and then went and investigated the full source material

Any specifics ? what was the actual post and how did LOTT misrepresented it ?

>She also regularly republished obvious troll accounts as fact

The cat litter thing is the only factual incident where LOTT did in fact post false things, you are free to prove me wrong with links. Besides the fact that she did in fact apologize for it, so you seem to be doing a fair bit of misrepresentation yourself, it actually kinda proves her point nonetheless. The kind of people LOTT makes fun of are so far out there that this is the kind of thing you would believe they would do. Like imagine if I told you "Mainland China makes its citizen report dissenting journalists on social media", regardless of whether its true or not (I just made it up, I have no idea), you will believe it because it's the kind of thing you imagine Mainland China does to its citizens, and there is plenty of precedents of it doing far worse things.

Regardless of how this incident happened or developed, I find it quite telling that this the only incident LOTT detractors seems to reach for when they need an example of her supposed misinformation. A twitter account that posts nearly daily or more since march 2021, and the only thing you can find is 1 post. Because news organization and nearly every single source of information out there totally doesn't make mistakes ever.

The truth is that, just like GP said and apparently upsetted HN progressives too hard, progressives (and most people, but we're talking about progressives in this case) hate to have a mirror held up to their faces. They see the ugliness and the raw insanity and think that it must be in the mirror itself ("She's MISREPRESENTING us"), there is no polite way of telling them that mirror is just a neutral reflection.

[braingenious]

Chaya Raichik is a public figure that has gone on national news programs to discuss her views and spread them as widely as possible, furthermore she used her real name in public records associated with the monetization of her brand. Her business entity, LibsOfTiktok isn’t some sort of special class that deserves extra anonymity.

[hellgas00]

No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be the true.

NATHANIEL HAWTHORNE

[throwaway5752]

"Any group with unpalatable views to the general public don't want to have their views expressed in the open" I agree.

I disagree however with your bigger point. The American far right in particular has gone through great lengths to be hidden. They financial backing is hidden through shell corporations and with protections they fought to carve out with Citizens United. Davos is widely publicized and the press covers it. Have you even heard of the Council for National Policy?

What I'm talking about is the subject of academic research, and is published

* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2020.1...

* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546553.2019.1...

* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2020.18...

Right wing views are fine, in the context of following the law. I don't care about other people's politics to the extent they don't try to impose them on me. Seditious conspiracy is another story, and the American right is crossing into that territory recently.

[kortilla]

> Seditious conspiracy is another story, and the American right is crossing into that territory recently.

Referring to a tiny minority of people generally as “the American right” is just a bunch of disingenuous bullshit designed to hint that it’s a problem with a whole ideology.

This is no different than equivocating the violence of environmental terrorists or the tiny slice of BLM violence with “the American left”.

[anigbrowl]

Drop me a line when you get time.

[hellgas00]

>Have you even heard of the Council for National Policy?

That's because the council on national policy has minimal influence on American foreign policy. The American nationalist element has minimal power outside of literally Donald Trump and a handfuls of people that have aligned themselves with him after witnessing his success in domestic american politics.

The power of the the Neoconservative/Neoliberal political hegemony in Washington dwarf the influence of any nationalist element because nationalist politics are not match of the interests of international finance and commerce. Simply put many more wealthy individuals benefit from a liberal world order vs the wealthy that benefit from a localized economy. No Empire that I know of has fought to minimize it's influence.