[newman555]

Have no idea why you get downvoted, but I did notice few times now how HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism or appreciates people who think animal agriculture is cruel.

Ah yeah, and also terribly destructive:

https://youtu.be/LaPge01NQTQ

[peoplefromibiza]

Maybe because it's a biased POV, that doesn't take into account that the isssue is simply being human, nobody can call themselves out or blame some activity more than others.

For example many vegans and animalists own pets to "save them from cruelty"

But

Loss and others of the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service found that free-ranging domestic cats (mostly unowned) are the top human-caused threat to wildlife in the United States, killing an estimated 1.3 to 3.7 billion birds and 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals annually.

And that's only in the US...

Wild life is a constant threat to our life style, like it or not, being a modern human in modern society means being responsible for animal suffering even if you don't personally eat them.

For example in my country the war on hunters (mainly by radical animalists) produced that

Roughly 2.3 million wild boars roam around Italy, with roughly 20,000 in the area of Rome, according to farm trade group Coldiretti. And while African swine fever can't be transmitted to humans, it can infect and kill domestic pigs

[sweetheart]

Nothing about what you said is antithetical to veganism, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

[peoplefromibiza]

well, this is the reason why people downvote these comments.

muslims don't eat pork, Hindu don't eat cows, every religion impose dietary restriction, doesn't mean that non believers have to follow them.

Veganism is no exception to the rule: if you believe you're reducing animal suffering, good for you, go on with your religion and be happy.

But in truth you aren't, vegans kill a lot of animals too, there are billions of people in the World that cause much less damages than us westerners, even if we lived only on rainwater and rocks.

So you might be a "true vegan (TM)" but you aren't better for the environment or for animal suffering than anybody else.

That's what I was trying to say.

[sweetheart]

This is a string of silly arguments. There are loads of videos debunking the points you try to make here, you should watch them.

[peoplefromibiza]

There is also a string of videos saying otherwise.

I believe in science and data, not videos.

I'm not into "videos that corroborate my opinions" religion.

sorry.

[sweetheart]

lol

[antiterra]

I don’t see evidence that the HN crowd as a whole doesn’t know much about veganism. Are you measuring knowledge about veganism via adoption of veganism?

From a few years back:

“Ask HN: Have you gone vegan or vegetarian?” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13985006

[giantg2]

I actually see a lot of stuff about vegan and vegetarian diets on HN.

[aaron695]

> Have no idea why you get downvoted

The comment contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation. No definition, no solution, no relevance.

If livestock is less than people is it ok then? These graphs are just hotspots it's impossible to use them quantifiably at USA levels. They only show there are a lot of "cows" "there"

You are just roping your common repetitive viewpoints into the story.

Why don't you care about human slavery? Do you not think that is cruel? I'm guessing because you are rich and the poor can eat vegan cake on the other side of the world? Why do vegans get to bring up veganism every conversation when so many people have such awful lives like being slaves?

None of this is relevant to livestock heat maps using a measure of X times people.

> HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism

It's common - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

An actual solution, rather than vegans saying they are vegan, is also common on HN - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[cercatrova]

Lab grown meat is the answer. One can never convince a statistically significant amount of people to switch to meat, so one must find ways to make the meat itself more sustainable.

It's thinking with the end in mind. Once you axiomatize the ends, you can then figure out the means to get there.

[sweetheart]

This is an unhinged reply. The fact that you ask why the other commenter doesn’t care about slavery really drives home the point that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you have a hard time constructing an argument. I hope you educate yourself about veganism. there are endless resources!