[Veen]

> Slavery existed in every region of the world.

This is perhaps a provocative point, but legal slavery has not existed in England for about 900 years. The rest of your points are an irrelevant and inaccurate response to my comment, so I won't address them.

[vanattab]

I mean they called them indentured surfs but I am not sure it was much different. Also the British were the main actors in the slave trade until 1800s

[arrosenberg]

I suppose, technically, Ireland isn’t in England. Feels like a distinction without a difference.

[Veen]

No one who lives in either place would consider it a distinction without a difference. Ireland abolished slavey in 1171, although, like the English, they were involved in the Atlantic slave trade.

[arrosenberg]

I’m referring to the plantations of Ulster. You know, the place where the world plantation got its current context.

[Veen]

It’s not surprising I didn’t get the reference: there was no slavery on the Ulster plantation. That was about Protestant colonisation. The local Gaelic Catholics were displaced by Scottish and English colonists, not enslaved.

Plantation implies slavery in the US, but not everywhere.

[arrosenberg]

Sure, why not? Again, a distinction without much of a difference when arguing what has and hasn’t been legal in England (proper, since most of North America WAS England/GB for 150 years) for 900 years. Sharecropping and multiple acts of genocide look pretty similar.