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Woodpeckers don't have built-in shock absorbers to protect their brain (newscientist.com)
54 points by lota-putty 1440 days ago
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>The term “spongy bone” doesn’t mean that the bone is soft or can compress, he says. Rather, it indicates that the bone is porous and lightweight

So part of the misconception can be blamed on a connotation of a metaphor that doesn't apply. Very common in physics!

Neat!

Turns out that woodpeckers don’t need extra shock-absorbers. They are small enough that the normal fluid around their brain provides the protection it needs.

Begs the question what is the threshold of impact the cerebrospinal fluid around a human brain can absorb? How much protection does it provide?
Smaller animals are less massive, which makes the forces operating on them significantly less.

Our brains are too large and fragile and our fluid space is much thinner relative to our brains.

It's yet another application of the square-cube law. As the animal scales smaller, the frontal area of the brain goes down per the second power, while the mass goes down per the third power.
I'm trying to picture the double blind study on this one...
When I finally got over laughing at your incredibly funny response, I got to thinking seriously - the volume, density etc of fluid in the skull is well known together with the physical characteristics of the cranium, brain, etc. It would at the very least be revealing from either real or digital modeling to see what mechanical shock if any the fluid provides.
Not enough for some of the extremes humans manage to put it through. For example, the significant number of traumatic brain injuries in US Football
Exactly. What is not clear to me is whether the chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) from football, boxing etc, is just from the repeated blows to the head or if actual repeated/severe concussions are required. Is there a threshold of head trauma that will not cause CTE or is it all just a matter of degree such that we get a small amount of CTE even with minor blows to the head, and it just accumulates.
Woodpeckers are super cool but whow can they be a menace.

There was one that would come knock my neighbors metal chimney years ago right at the crack of dawn. Poor guy could not sleep in. And the woodpecker kept coming back and doing it, presumably just to make a loud racket because there were no bugs obviously.

Another guy I know who was quite wealthy had a carved wooden lintel made for the top of his door. It was made in Mexico and quite intricate (and expensive). He proudly showed it to me over the door. A week later woodpeckers had ruined it.

They are still cool birds though.

There’s a great video by a different scientist that explains the importance of size, mass, and duration of deceleration very clearly. https://youtu.be/a87TTL_c8_0
Doesn't a woodpecker's tongue also play a roll in protecting it? Or is the just a myth?
They have a very long tongue that wraps around their brain. This article is stating that’s just to store the tongue and isn’t some sort of bumper for the brain.
Slightly incorrect - the researchers only looked at bone structure. This was an evaluation of a theory that woodpeckers had an energy dissipating section of bone that protected their brain. That would make for a safer brain, but a worse pecker.

The tongue may still have an effect, but a different study methodology would be needed in order to test that theory.

> a different study methodology would be needed

Now I'm wondering how that's gonna work. De-tongue some woodpeckers and see if they get concussed? There's not any imaging that would work for this is there, where we could paint or inject their tongue with some dye and watch it flex inside their skull? that'd be a lovely video if it could be made.

Pistol shrimp do though! Original article [0] and HN discussion from yesterday [1].

[0] https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/pistol-shrimp-sport-...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32080559

Turns out Leonardo was wrong after all

What a coincidence, just finished reading Walter Isaacson's biography of Da Vinci yesterday

Can't read the article; does anyone else get redirected to some "you are visitor N and a winner!" shit? Firefox on iPhone fwiw.
Microsoft Edge on iPhone had the same response. A script that traps the browser so you can’t use the back button to display a scam ad making it look like I won a Samsung Galaxy S10.
That means trouble for both of the ms edge iOS browser users.
Helps to not have your brain rest against cavities as sharp as knives, like humans.
That may explain the behavior of Woody Woodpecker.
Sure does explain the nutcase!
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