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by jameshart 1441 days ago
Ah yes, Hippocrates' famous oath that to this day inspires all medical practitioners: "It's too bad, but I guess he would've died soon anyway."
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For individual patients, sure, but when dealing with populations a more rigorous statistical analysis is needed.
Okay. And what specific number of quality adjusted life years would a vaccination program need to promise to save across the globe before you personally are willing to take it?
> quality adjusted life years

Do you feel comfortable acknowledging that this metric in isolation could result in trading years across age demographics? To what degree does it matter if we take 1 year of life from a child and give it to a middle aged person, doing exactly that would be fairly neutral according to QALY.

Taking 1 year of life from person a and moving it to person b is fairly neutral, yes. If, without intervention, both of them were likely to live to 80, now one of them will live to 79 and the other to 81.

That probably doesn’t matter much to either a child or a middle aged person, to be honest, since neither of them has much idea of exactly how many years they have left.

It probably matters quite a lot more to a 78 year old, though.

Have to agree to disagree on this issue.
Well from my understanding they'd only be equal if the middle aged person were in perfect health.

The real issue with QUALYs is that it discounts the lives of disabled folks because they might never be 100% "healthy".

> Well from my understanding they'd only be equal if the middle aged person were in perfect health.

Okay, so lets change the dilemma from 1:1 to 1 child life-year traded for 2 adult-life-years. Did it get any better?

Sounds like we agree: QALY is not where we should hang our medical ethics.

Not sure what kind of vaccines you’ve been taking, but realistically that trade off is not currently on the table, is it?
Well if the death of a 90 year old is considered as bad as the death of a healthy child then dare I say I disagree with your value judgement?
Is there some covid treatment regime I am unaware of that requires us to sacrifice the lives of children to save the elderly?

I’m pretty sure we’re talking about public health measures that - if successful- will reduce covid risks for everyone.

And if we have to save the lives of a bunch of 90 year olds in order to also save the lives of some kids, we’ll that is a risk I am willing to take.

Pray tell what evidence we have that this is a live saving pharmaceutical when applied to young healthy children.
A vaccine is a public health measure aimed at reducing disease spread through the population.

If you want kids to go to preschools, and not be little disease vectors transmitting infection between households, you should be looking for ways to avoid them acquiring the infection even if the disease has no ill effects on them personally.

Having their parents or grandparents hospitalized are also negative outcomes for a child.